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- Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 15:44:50 EST
> ========================================================================= > Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 23:50:23 -0500 > From: Lew Midlam <Lew.Midlam(--nospam--at)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: ìSEAOC? RE: Structural Engineer registration > Dennis McCroskey wrote: > > >Ron Hamburger wrote: > > >>There is no excuse for an engineer who regularly practices structural > > >>engineering, and believes himself to be competent in this area, > > >>not to sit for the Structural Exam. > > I tend to agree more with Ron Hamburger > > dennismc > > Dennis, > You are honestly to be congratulated for easily passing the S.E. exam on > your first attempt, and I'm sure you're proud of it and rightly so, but IMHO > the CA. > S.E. exam is a joke and a crap shoot. Half of the questions are ambiguous, If you are properly prepared it is hardly a joke nor a crap shoot. I passed the time through, having learned the first time to keep my answers quick and to the point. I know some other SE's who experienced the same thing the 1st time. I thought I was well prepared the 1st time, but apparently the best preparation taking the exam (and just barely missing it ... ouch). > and attempting to answer 20 of them in 16 hours requires a lot of luck. > of the > questions are so poorly written that it often takes 5 to 10 minutes of > study and re-reading to just figure out what the question is asking. The In any exam you should allow yourself 5 or 10 minutes to really understand the question. When I reviewed my 1st exam, I was shocked to see how I had raced in solve the problem, only to have solved for the wrong item, having hastily read not grasped what was required in the problem. > exams are graded by the same individuals who wrote the questions and > they often think there's only one way to solve *their* problem; but, as > you know, an experienced engineer can easily find numerous ways to > solve a problem. If the gradee picks a method that the grader doesn't > agree with, or worse doesn't understand, should the gradee be penalized? You are incorrect, the exam is graded by a pool of SE's, and each exam is at least 2 graders. If the scores differ, a 3rd grading is done to reconcile discrepancies in the two previous grades. A solution is prepared by the person 'wrote' the problem, however, if an engineer demostrates that they know how to solve the problem(s) and does the work to a conclusion, they will most likely full credit, as there is flexibility within the grading scheme to deviate from exact items in the solution example. For example, the use of tables is and if a proper reference is given (e.g. Table such and such of AISC manual...) values from the table are acceptable in lieu of an actual derived value by calculation (e.g. Fb values for steel). > A test (any test) is *valid* if it measures what it purports to measure. If As is apparent from all the discussion on this listserver, measuring the qualification of an individual to practice a complex field like structural engineering (let alone civil engineering) is an extremely difficult thing to accomplish in the space of a 2-day exam. However, I think the SE exam, if it errs in the direction of conservatism. The reason it is a tough exam, with 25% 33% passing rates historically, I think, is to favor those individuals who can rapidly recall _from experience_ facts needed to solve a problem, rather than allowing a great deal of problem research to occur during the exam. > Lew Midlam, P.E. Thanks for your comments, Lew. tdh Thomas D. Honles, S.E. DWP Energy Services Structural Engineering (213)367-0006 Vines:thonle@pdc_csess_struc@ladwp (213)367-0066 Fax Internet E-Mail: usdwpydp(--nospam--at)ibmmail.com ...
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