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- From: David Owens <dtowens(--nospam--at)cogent.net>
- Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:06:35 -0800
At 01:03 AM 2/4/96 -0500, IrishBYTE(--nospam--at)aol.com wrote: >Nigel Mends writes: >>>>>>Could it possibly be that a lot fewer females go into engineering in the >first place? When I was in >school ten or so years ago, we only had two or three females out of an >engineering student body of two or three hundred. Of course, we wouldn't >want to let mere facts get in the way... > >Response: Twenty years ago, when I was in school, 1% of all PEs were women. > My graduating class was 2% women at U C Davis, and most of us had been >influenced by the AA recruitment team. I know this because I headed the SWE >group (all thirteen of us.) Now, with the advent of AA programs, women >comprise more like 6% of all engineers. Thank you for illustrating my point >with mere facts. > >David Owens writes: >>>>>>Why can't you accept the fact that most women do not wish to be >engineers? > >Response: Perhaps we need to address the reason WHY more men than women want >to become engineers - on a ratio of sixteen to one. > >Someone else wrote: >>>>>>Is it possible that discrimination starts at birth? > >Question: What is the first thing parents of an infant are always asked? > >Answer: Is it a boy or a girl? > >Qusetion: Why do we care whether the baby is male or female? > >Answer: So we know how to treat the baby. > >Numerous studies by reputable universities show that girl children and boy >children are raised differently from birth. Parents, teachers and other >adults treat them differently based soley upon sex. Girls are not encouraged >to pursue "boy activities", in the absence of AA programs. > >In fact, when asked about their competency in math/science skills, boys >consistently overrate their perceived skills and girls grossly underrate >their own skills. I have seen this myself when I volunteer at grammar >schools for enrichment classes. > >Perhaps this is why we need AA programs to encourage 50% of our populace to >consider, and have hopes of succeeding, in our field of engineering. And, >perhaps we all need to evaluate whether we are truly looking at the >qualifications and skills of each person when we hire or recommend promotion >- rather than the person's sex, skin colour, sexual preference, age, or >whatever. > >Linda Nott Pure feminist propaganda. The observation of every parent is that girls and boys are different in every way: temperment, interests, social interaction. Ms. Nott would like us to view each applicant truly on qualifications and skills-but only after quotas have been met. And the government is watching. >... ******* ******* ******* ******* >* This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers Association of California >* (SEAOC) email server. To subscribe (no fee) to the list, send email to >* seaoc-request(--nospam--at)seaoc.org and in the body of the message type subscribe. >* To Unsubscribe, send email to seaoc-request(--nospam--at)seaoc.org and in the body of the >* message type Unsubscribe. You can type anything you like in the subject field. >* For questions, send email to seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org. >* Make sure you visit our web site at: >* http://www.seaoc.org/seaoc ****** ***** ******* ******* > > ...
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