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Do any engineers have any thoughts on why this occurs? (Failure to pass a
plan check). Is the reason an incomplete understanding of what the code
requires? Is it other disciplines involved? (Electrical, mechanical).
Is it the architect? If building is your life's work, why so many missteps?

At 01:14 AM 9/21/96 -0400, HARRISENGR(--nospam--at) wrote:
>     We have a 9 person office and after the calcs are complete the design is
>reviewed by an SE in detail. Then after the drafter completes the plan the
>design engineer reviews the plan  and then the review SE again checks the
>final plan in general. Even after this and the building department check
>there are still occasional  discrepancies ( never errors ~~ ) .
>      I was surprised that i had three different 20,000 square foot houses
>approved  ( one a steel stud ) in L.A. city , beverly park,  with only one
>correction: have the soil engineer sign the plan. Then on a small room
>addition i got a long list. I guess the big houses could afford a permit
>expiditer but the room addition couldn't.
>     On the other hand we provide plan check consulting to the cities of
>Oxnard and Port Hueneme ( In years past i have also reviewed plans in Ventura
>, Santa Paula , and Santa Barbara Co.). Of course we are not allowed to
>design in jurisdictions we plan check in. We try to provide a comprehensive
>plan check but many engineers may not understand the plan checker is also
>just as interested in exiting, fire and life safety, ventilation, lite,
>handicapped, plumbling,mech.,elect., energy,soils,noise, etc, as structural.
>If a pile of e-tabs output is included most plan checkers hope the design
>professional knows what they are doing as most plan checkers can not
>independently verify a dynamic analysis. I can not remember a perfect set of
>plans in over 5000 plan checks. I was talking to a retired plan check
>engineer  at a consulting structural engineers society meeting last nite and
>he said in plan checking for L.A. Co. for 25 years he didn't remember
>approving a plan on the first submittal.
>     I hope that helps.
>Tom Harris, SE
>Thousand Oaks, CA