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- From: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org (Richard Lewis)
- Date: 30 Jul 1997 14:31:14 GMT
<< As long as there is this type of rationale used to set our fee structure, is it any wonder the client feels he should "shop" around. We have ourselves to blame and also, personally I feel in addition we have gotten little support in the area of proper fee structures from SEAOC.>> Before feeling too sorry for ourselves, we need to keep in mind that things are no better in other fee-for-service disciplines as well. In my family there is a CPA, an attorney, and a MD. All of them have worked for large and small organizations. I can say with definite knowledge that fee-setting practices in those professions are no more rational, fair, or "professional" than in engineering. In fact, there are much greater variations, with effective hourly rates ranging from the low one-hundreds to the tens-of-thousands. <<<I agree with your comments on how you arrive at a fee structure, and I don't know if that should change even if it could. I'm a big fan of the free enterprise system...I think SEAOC has fallen short in promoting the PROFESSIONALS vs. the profession.>>> A sure way to increase the *average* compensation of a profession is to increase the public's esteem and valuation of the services it provides. In the old USSR, engineers were paid more than doctors, mainly because production of goods was viewed as more valuable to society than personal services. A different relative-worth paradigm operates in this country. Changing the paradigm is difficult at best because the supply/demand principle still has to operate. I just hired a COBOL consultant to help with our "Year 2000" problem (our large and complex computer applications are written in that old language), at $200 per hour, the demand-driven rate at the moment for such folks. That figure is likely higher than I or most readers of this listserv can command. We need to remember more often the non-monetary satisfaction we receive from our work, those moments when we drive by a completed project and think to ourselves or point out to our family that we contributed to something that is tangible, useful to society, and longlasting (whether or not our name appears on a building credit plaque). Particularly enjoyable are those projects where we came up with economical or elegant solutions to difficult challenges. This 'psychic' component of the total compensation is higher in engineering than in most fields. As I recall, a WSJ article on the subject some time ago said the burnout/dropout rates among engineers 5 years out of school were fairly low, while the percentages for lawyers and auditors were over 33%. The pressures for billable hours in the early years of their careers, coupled with unsatisfying and tedious grunt work (such as legal research), were the reasons cited most often by the departed folks. We can take solace that some high-paying professions need that balm to offset low public esteem. What is the only difference between a lawyer and a vulture? Ans: The vulture doesn't get frequent flyer miles. Franklin Lew, SE --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from server1.seaoc.org (bqe.com [22.214.171.124]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14910 for <rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org>; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:33:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from emout23.mx.aol.com by server1.seaoc.org (NTList 3.02.10) id ya004704; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:26:09 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout23.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA13410 for seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:23:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:23:49 -0500 (EST) From: IteUrsi(--nospam--at)aol.com Message-ID: <970227171149_-1775237824(--nospam--at)emout10.mail.aol.com> To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Subject: Re: building code minimums for wood frame Reply-To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Error-To: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Loop: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Info: [SEAOC] Owner: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-POP3-Rcpt: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Sender: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Precedence: list X-ListMember: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org [seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org] __________________________________________________ Richard Lewis, P.E. Missionary TECH Team rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org The service mission like-minded Christian organizations may turn to for technical assistance and know-how.
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