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- From: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org (Richard Lewis)
- Date: 30 Jul 1997 14:47:53 GMT
>The above argument actually supports my skepticism better than any examples I >could have come up with. These statutes and canons of ethics have been on >the books for decades. Why, then, have the levels of professionalism >remained so low? A major reason is that, for most people, laws don't change >behavior - incentives do! The foregoing is a non-answer that begs the question, all in a single paragraph. Society is hip-deep in incentives. Sounds like you're recommending we ignore the law because it's inconvenient and runs contrary to human nature. All laws run contrary to some aspect of human nature and they all inconvenience someone--if they didn't we wouldn't need them. A 'strategic plan' for decency is nonsense anyway--we all know what decent behavior is. >A reality check for Chris: Request the Minnesota and Florida boards to >provide you with a list of registrants who were disciplined or had licenses >revoked Both states publish all actions in their quarterly newsletters. Total revocation is infrequent, most sanctions (5-10 per quarter) range from mandatory ethics training to suspension for a period of years. Florida is pretty tough. They have no qualms about pulling tickets, and the Florida law is quite detailed. Minnesota's practice regarding snitching is to investigate complaints anonymously. If action is brought the proceedings are public only if necessary. I suspect most involve egregious behavior or matters of public record and the board simply confronts the hack with the stained carpet: I daresay the hack owns up and cops a plea to avoid more serious sanctions. Enough reality for you? >The challenge remains to develop a better balance between group interest and >self interest so that almost all registrants will have sufficient incentives >to support and comply with the spirit of the laws noted above. It is a very >daunting challenge, appropriate for the bright minds that inhabit this >listserv to tackle. I look forward to reading your contributions. Such a lukewarm pronouncement is the problem, not the solution. As a registrant, we are obligated to put the public interest paramount. It ain't no 'strategic plan' just the fact of registration. To be even-handed, we aren't obligated to starve to death to fulfill our public duty, but I doubt if that's ever been necessary. The point has been made in this thread several times--hanging out with scavengers isn't that far removed from starvation, anyway. Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant from chrisw(--nospam--at)skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen. ___________________________| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864) http://www.skypoint.com/subscribers/chrisw --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from server1.seaoc.org (bqe.com [18.104.22.168]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25161 for <rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org>; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 13:00:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from skypoint.com by server1.seaoc.org (NTList 3.02.10) id va005091; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 10:52:47 -0800 Received: from [22.214.171.124](really [126.96.36.199]) by mirage.skypoint.com via smtpd with smtp id <m0w0trV-0004GiC(--nospam--at)mirage.skypoint.com> for <seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org>; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:50:25 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built 1997-Feb-13) Message-Id: <m0w0trV-0004GiC(--nospam--at)mirage.skypoint.com> Subject: Re: building code minimums for wood frame Date: Sat, 1 Mar 97 12:57:18 -0600 X-Sender: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Christopher Wright <chrisw(--nospam--at)skypoint.com> To: "SEAOC Newsletter" <seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Reply-To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Error-To: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Loop: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Info: [SEAOC] Owner: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-POP3-Rcpt: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Precedence: list X-ListMember: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org [seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org] __________________________________________________ Richard Lewis, P.E. Missionary TECH Team rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org The service mission like-minded Christian organizations may turn to for technical assistance and know-how.
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