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- From: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org (Richard Lewis)
- Date: 30 Jul 1997 14:46:32 GMT
Lynn Howard wrote: > > If you want to take significant steps in increasing the quality of > Structural Engineering, I would suggest the following steps be taken: > > 1. Require licensed structural engineers to sign structural drawings > and calculations on all structures, including single family residential. This would be fairly easy to enact by simply adopting the California version of the UBC. I suggested this (informally) at a SEAOSC dinner meeting right after Northridge. The concept was really "poo-pooed". While I certainly feel that adopting the CA version (particularly in seismic zones 3 and 4) would reduce damage to structures (due to S.E.R. as well as testing and inspections), I also realize that it would eliminate several well qualified engineers who posess the C.E. only. We CERTAINLY should disqualify Architects. I know they're out there, but in my 20 years, I haven't personally met one who could design a wood beam, much less perform a seismic analysis. Maybe C.E.'s with 10 years, I don't know. I don't like the fact that a C.E. can stamp and sign plans two years out of school. > 2. Make the C.E. exam more difficult to pass, possibly having a special > section on structures required to be passed if you intend to take the SE > exam in the future. [the SE exam is already tough enough, no need to > mess with that:)] There are a LOT of C.E.s out there who don't care about structures. I've never understood the relationship between the two. I believe the only advantage there is with making structurals take the C.E. is to make them wait and get experience. I would support a method whereby one could get a S.E. without a C.E., much like one can get a Phd. w/o a Masters. If you REALLY want to tip the supply-demand curve, make the S.E. exam required every 4 years!!! (Just kidding...) > 3. Make the E.I.T exam more difficult to pass. Same as comment above. > 4. Require 4 years of experience between taking the E.I.T exam and the > C.E. exam. I think this is in the works and I support it. There currently is a re-write of the Business and Professions Code. I'm not sure about the entire content of the changes (I just know one of my areas of interests - better protection for the word "engineer" is not happening), but I received a name of a contact person regarding the re-write. His name is Kevin Schunke at (916)-263-2020. Those interested might want to contact him regarding the changes. > 5. Require that a University degree be required to take the E.I.T. > exam. The University Engineering program must meet certain minimum > standards to qualify as a qualified University degree. I think this is already the case, at least in California. > 6. Require some kind of continuing education for those who hold their > SE license. So many credits would be required before an SE could renew > his license. I think this is in the works also. I'm not sure how effective it would be, but it won't hurt (as long as I could do mine in Maui!!) > This would make it much more difficult for people to qualify as a person > who could do structural design. No more Architects, GeoTechnical, > Mechanical Engineers, or Civil Engineers doing structural design. > This would not eliminate all sub-standard designs, but it would in my > opinion, significantly increase the overall quality of structural > engineering. > As a side benefit to those who would still be qualified to do this kind > of work, you can bet that the fees to do this kind of work would go up > significantly. Why you ask? Because we will be tampering with the > "supply - demand" curve. We will decrease the supply of people who can > do this kind of work, and that will result in an increase in the price > of that service. I hate to keep going back to this (not really), but, if we were paid more, we could afford to spend more time on a project. I know that there is not a direct coorelation between the two, but we engineers are pretty sick (business- wise) people. We study problems even when we are out of budget. It just would be nice to relieve some of the financial pressure from doing so. Regards, Bill Allen --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from server1.seaoc.org (bqe.com [188.8.131.52]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA16060 for <rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org>; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:03:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from darius.concentric.net by server1.seaoc.org (NTList 3.02.10) id fa005205; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:02:27 -0800 Received: from cliff.cris.com (cliff.cris.com [184.108.40.206]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/02/12 3.22)) id UAA12757; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:59:32 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: <ballense(--nospam--at)concentric.net> Received: from BAllen (61010d0018la.concentric.net [220.127.116.11]) by cliff.cris.com (8.8.5) id UAA12089; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:59:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <331A303C.3801(--nospam--at)concentric.net> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:58:21 -0800 From: Bill Allen <ballense(--nospam--at)concentric.net> Reply-To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Subject: Re: building code minimums for wood frame References: <970301172230_-2109101063(--nospam--at)emout04.mail.aol.com> <331A1C7D.28F4(--nospam--at)silcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Error-To: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Loop: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Info: [SEAOC] Owner: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-POP3-Rcpt: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Sender: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Precedence: list X-ListMember: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org [seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org] __________________________________________________ Richard Lewis, P.E. 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