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- From: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org (Richard Lewis)
- Date: 30 Jul 1997 14:46:23 GMT
------ =_NextPart_000_01BC276A.A96F6DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn Howard Wrote: >If you want to take significant steps in increasing the quality of >Structural Engineering, I would suggest the following steps be taken: =20 >1. Require licensed structural engineers to sign structural drawings >and calculations on all structures, including single family = residential. >This would make it much more difficult for people to qualify as a = person >who could do structural design. No more Architects, GeoTechnical, >Mechanical Engineers, or Civil Engineers doing structural design. =20 >This would not eliminate all sub-standard designs, but it would in my >opinion, significantly increase the overall quality of structural >engineering.As a side benefit to those who would still be qualified to = do this kind >of work, you can bet that the fees to do this kind of work would go up >significantly. Why you ask? Because we will be tampering with the >"supply - demand" curve. We will decrease the supply of people who can >do this kind of work, and that will result in an increase in the price >of that service. This would certainly make it more difficult for some people to qualify = as a person who could do structural design, despite their qualifications = to do so. In the Plain Language Pamphlet of the Professional Engineers = Act structural engineering constitutes "...the application of = specialized civil engineering knowledge and experience..." The same = pamphlet states that the purpose of the Professional Engineers Act is = "To safeguard the life, health, property, and public welfare of the = people of California." The purpose of the Act is not to provide certain = individuals with a state-mandated monopoly. It simply isn't true that = all Civil Engineers, Mechanical Engineers and Architects who do = structural engineering are a public hazard. Incompetance has less to do = with liscenses and more to do with ability. You would be hard pressed = to show that Terzaghi was incapable of designing a steel frame because = he didn't have an SE stamp. Bill Allen wrote >When I originally posed the question, I wasn't trying to propose >more government regulations or fee fixing. I do think that some >regulations can be improved. Arizona has much more stringent >regulations than California with regards to who can do what. For >example, in every other state where I've applied for reciprocity, >I've had to get two licenses: Civil and Structural. In Arizona, I >have "only" a Structural license. That's because I've never done >anything Civil in my life!!! This is a fantastic demonstration that registration in a particular area = of engineering fails to guaruntee that the individual is qualified to = perform such work. If it is possible to pass the Civil test and gain = comity in so many other jurisdictions while being utterly unqualified in = the discipline, why should we believe that the SE designation is any = more of a guaruntee? Perhaps the reason for requiring a Civil = registration and additional experience requirements for SE's is because = such work is the "specialized application of civil engineering = knowledge"? The California law seems to suggest such. Having = specialized knowledge of civil engineering seems to imply that Civil = Engineering itself contains non-specialized knowledge of structural = engineering, does it not? The concept behind the Structural Engineer = title is sound and I support it, but it would be a mistake to dismiss = other engineering disciplines as incompetant in the area....they simply = aren't the experts! There is as much of a role for all those "other = guys" named above in structural engineering as there is for physician's = assistants and RNs in medicine - you simply do NOT need an expert for = everything! Requiring an expert to look into every single structural = engineering project is not in the ultimate interest of the public = welfare - it's economic waste. There is a middle ground. An intermediate structural engineering = liscense or certificate is needed, along with a review of the "turf" = which should be the exclusive domain of SEs. I agree that the current = deliniation of exclusive SE boundaries is way too broad. But reserving = all structural engineering work for SE's is far too constrained. A = voice of reason is far less likely to get "pooh poed" than one of = extremism. To say "ALL structures are the EXCLUSIVE domain of SE's" is = simply an exercise of one's ego rather than the one's head. 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<01BC276A.A96F6DC0(--nospam--at)sylvester.dnc.net> From: jmccormi(--nospam--at)dnc.net (Joe McCormick) To: "'seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org'" <seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org> Subject: RE: building code minimums for wood frame Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:34:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC276A.A96F6DC0" Reply-To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Error-To: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Loop: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Info: [SEAOC] Owner: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-POP3-Rcpt: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Sender: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Precedence: list X-ListMember: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org [seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org] __________________________________________________ Richard Lewis, P.E. 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