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From: Joe McCormick <jmccormi(--nospam--at)dnc.net> To: 'seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org' Subject: RE: GOOD STRUCTURAL PROGRAMS Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 4:24 PM Although STAAD-III has caused me headaches at times (what software hasn't?), I think it is generally undeserving of the beating it took recently on the listserver! STAAD-III is a pretty good piece of software although it can be very unforgiving to some user errors (i.e. fatal error crashes), which is annoying. This said, although I'm not as familiar with it as STAAD, I have found ETABS to be quite efficient for *buildings* and generally superior to STAAD in this regard, especially for dynamic analysis. ETABS is just plain set up better for doing buildings. For an *industrial* environment though, given only one piece of structural design software to use, I would choose STAAD-III over all others for its versatility and comprehesiveness, especially with regard to braced steel frames! I'd like to hear more from others on this thread, especially from the smaller design offices. Good topic! ---------- From: James F Fulton[SMTP:James_F_Fulton(--nospam--at)rohmhaas.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 12:39 PM To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Subject: GOOD STRUCTURAL PROGRAMS In response to an earlier comments on STAAD3, I would be interested in knowing what other programs structural engineers on the listserver have found to be generally better to use than STAAD3 (and why). I am particularly interested in petrochemical type structures, mainly braced structural steel construction. Thanks. I believe STAAD3 is a good "general purpose" analysis program because it does just about everything (steel, concrete, timber, footings, dynamics, non-linear analysis, etc.) Sort of like the open platform design of AutoCAD. The latest versions have a good graphical interface to it which makes modelling a lot easier. I am not really familiar with ETABS, but I understand it will model buildings easier. However, either one of these programs are fairly expensive (initially as well as maintenance) and they are probably cost prohibitive to the small, one to four man office. I've seen RISA, the input is fairly cumbersome. My basic computer philosophy is that if I have to look at a manual to do build a basic model, then it wasn't written properly. I downloaded Enercalc's Fastframe (version 5.0.8 I believe) and played around with it a little. Some kinks need to be worked out, but I think (based on user interaction), Michael Brooks is on the right track. I recommend that you either download the Beta or look for a demo of the production model. Don't count on the Beta to meet a project deadline today, though. I had trouble printing results. But it looks good. I think good engineering software should be easy to use, easy to modify files, Win95 compatable and only requires reading of the manual for fine tuning and "tricks". It also would be nice if the output were Office 97 compatible (i.e., Access, etc.) so that I could use the result to do some other work on, but dream on... Regards, Bill Allen --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from server1.seaoc.org (bqe.com [188.8.131.52]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02781 for <rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org>; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:51:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from darius.concentric.net by server1.seaoc.org (NTList 3.02.10) id ea010014; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:45:18 -0800 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [184.108.40.206]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/03/18 3.24)) id VAA05128; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:43:17 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: <ballense(--nospam--at)concentric.net> Received: from ALLENDESIGNS (61006d0009la.concentric.net [220.127.116.11]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.5) id VAA20234; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:43:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703200243.VAA20234(--nospam--at)newman.concentric.net> From: "Bill Allen, S.E." <ballense(--nospam--at)concentric.net> To: <seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org> Subject: Re: GOOD STRUCTURAL PROGRAMS Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:36:58 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Error-To: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Loop: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Info: [SEAOC] Owner: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-POP3-Rcpt: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Sender: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Precedence: list X-ListMember: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org [seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org] __________________________________________________ Richard Lewis, P.E. Missionary TECH Team rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org The service mission like-minded Christian organizations may turn to for technical assistance and know-how.
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