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- From: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org (Richard Lewis)
- Date: 06 Aug 1997 13:53:02 GMT
I just received this month's issue of Civil Engineering News and read your publisher's editorial. In summary, you suggest that we engineers stop complaining about the state of our profession because we have it so much better than our counterparts in third world countries. In a sense, I agree that we should spend less time complaining and more time taking action to either do our job better, find out ways to make a better living or to change the state of our profession. However, I mostly disagree with the premise of your arguement. I believe just about anyone here in the U.S. could make the same statement about their counterparts in third world countries. There is a reason so many people want to emmigrate to the U.S. It's pretty good here. However, we have worked hard and fought for these conditions. At least I did and my father did. To compare a standard with that of the third world for any other purpose than to feel grateful for the conditions we have built here is a stretch. My particular discipline in engineering is Structural Engineering. Here in California, the codes are written so loose that just about anyone can practice Structural Engineering. This includes Architects and Civil Engineers as well as Structural Engineers. As you are probably aware, there is extreme seismic risk in most of this state. However, a Civil Engineering graduate with two years experience can stamp and sign just about any set of building plans in this state. Most of my Structural Engineering colleagues have a great deal more experience and are informally required to participate in seminars, etc. to stay current in their field. I firmly believe that it takes a great deal more expertise to do a proper job here than the law requires. Since we (licensed Structural Engineers) are faced with competing with people who, I feel, are undercredentialed, our fees remain disproportionate to the effort and risk required to do a good job. Further, in the field of Architectural Engineering (i.e., building design) we are typically consultants to an Architect. Due to the "trickle down effect", it is usually difficult to submit fee proposals proportional to the level of effort a good job requires nor the risks assumed after completion of the project. There is still the perception that the Architect performs the structural engineering on the building projects and the general public is unaware that a special expertise is required. You may also be aware that there are a lot of Attorneys in California. It is common knowledge and practice here that, when we accept a Condominium project, we WILL be sued 3-5 years after the completion of the project regardless of the due diligence applied during design. The "head in the sand" attitude presented in your editorial would do nothing to improved these conditions. Although it may be true that the conditions here are better than for our third world counterparts, there is a great deal that can be and should be done to improve how we are perceived by the general public as well as how we are compensated for the level of professional development, effort and risk we contribute to a project. 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