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Perhaps my word choice (using "lucky to pass..") was poorly choosen. =
Possibly I should have stated "fortunate enough" or possibly I should =
just pull my foot out of my mouth and let this one pass.
My apologies to those I offended. Behind my comments were my concerns =
that the level of questioned asked would not reflect the applications =
that I use 99% of the time on a daily basis in a small private practice. =
Many issues tested on prevous SE exams had to with area's of expertise =
that are specific to the SE license rather than the broader based work =
done by the CE (under existing licensing). I am sure that each of us has =
an area of engineering that we are either weak in or have not practiced =
in so long that we are not current as to the appropriate design methods. =
We can either pass up the work (which I tend to do), accept the work and =
sub-contract to a more knowledgable engineer, or fly by the seat of our =
pants and hope we haven't made any mistakes learning along the way.
Not intending  to drag this issue into the ground (which has already =
been done), I contend that I will never practice outside of the =
guidlines that I am already licensed to practice. Our continuing =
education will soon be a matter of fact rather than choice. I have no =
desire to lower my already paultry income to sub-standard levels (and it =
would not take much) to study for the exam and try to learn area's of =
design that I will not use. It is not an issue of "what happens if the =
opportunity arises for me to use this previously unknown knowledge", I =
would still decline the work based upon my inexperience rather than my =
lack of knowledge.
Not to further justify my feelings, but I don't believe I would be able =
to pass the exam. I don't work well under extreme time constraints =
(maybe that's why I collect so paultry a fee), and I don't believe that =
the ability to correctly answer an exam question is a measure of an =
individuals ability to practice. Recently (within the last two weeks) I =
spoke to four engineers who are SE's and have never designed a steel, =
masonry or concrete structure. They came out of other industries that =
most of us would not even recognize in our discussions - Nuclear, =
Aerospace or simply advance degrees. These individuals posess the SE =
designation and are designing only residential remodels and custom =
homes. Unlike me, these are the only area's that they feel qualified - =
regardless of the results of their exams.
If or when I pass the exam - I believe that I won't have the same =
opinion of my accomplishment as most of the SE's. Possibly due to my age =
and my pessimissm!=20
Finally, Jeff, your last comment " I think you should take the exam, I =
know you'd prepare properly, and the profession would benefit with =
someone of your ability using the title of Structural Engineer." can be =
taken as a backhanded compliment. I know what you meant, but I can also =
interpret it as indicating that I have nothing to offer the profession =
(or that CE's are not part of the Profession) unless or until I past the =
test. I do take offense to this - especially since most of you have a =
feel for my abilities based upon the level of conversation that we have.

"Can't we all just be friends"....

Jeff, no real offense taken, keep the debates alive!

Respectfully,
Dennis


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