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- From: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org (Richard Lewis)
- Date: 07 Aug 1997 12:37:50 GMT
Bill Allen said: snip >My most important issue is the one regarding unqualified persons performing >structural engineering. To digress from my apparent "hard line" position >about CEs doing structural engineering, I would like to focus purely on >Architects doing structural engineering. I would like each of you to think >of all of the Architects you have personally worked with who you feel is >capable of analyzing, designing and detailing the lateral force resisting >system for a simple structure, say a two story residence. Maybe not as good >as you would, but good enough to meet all sections of the 1994 UBC. snip I personally feel that Architects should not be allowed to provide structural engineering services in zone 4. I was asked by an architect a few years back to explain the seismic induced accidental torsion requirement for a new building he was designing and engineering. It was a wood framed building so apparently he did not understand the distinction between rigid and flexible diaphragms. (which BTW will probably change in upcoming codes) I know it took me several years out of college working for a structural engineer to have an understanding for detailing of shear transfer, load path and connections and I am still learning improved ways to detail certain conditions. An architect should undergo the same amount of experience working for an engineer. If that is agreed then they would then qualify to take at least the PE exam. Frankly, I don't know why an architect would want to provide structural engineering services without the experience. I know there is at least one Arch/SE on the list and maybe a few more in the state :^) Are Arch/SE's more likely to get there Arch license first or visa versa? Regards, Jeff Smith. S.E. phone: (415) 543-8651 fax: (415) 543-8679 email: smthengr(--nospam--at)sirius.com Smith Engineering 27 South Park San Francisco, CA 94107 --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from server1.seaoc.org (bqe.com [22.214.171.124]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06899 for <rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:03:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.sirius.com by server1.seaoc.org (NTList 3.02.13) id na018941; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:00:26 -0700 Received: from [126.96.36.199] (ppp047-sf5.sirius.com [188.8.131.52]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.6.12/960710) with SMTP id PAA28106 for <seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:58:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:58:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199704192258.PAA28106(--nospam--at)mail1.sirius.com> To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org From: smthengr(--nospam--at)sirius.com (Jeff Smith) X-Sender: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Subject: Arch/SE was Engineering Issues ad nauseum Reply-To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Error-To: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Loop: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Info: [SEAOC] Owner: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-POP3-Rcpt: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Precedence: list X-ListMember: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org [seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org] __________________________________________________ Richard Lewis, P.E. Missionary TECH Team rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org The service mission like-minded Christian organizations may turn to for technical assistance and know-how.
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