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- From: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org (Richard Lewis)
- Date: 07 Aug 1997 12:37:11 GMT
<snip> > I usually try to filter out whatever architect-trashing that goes on on this > list, however in this case I have taken note and thought about the issue. > Through NCARB reciprocity agreements, I am eligible for registration as an > architect in CA. > This would allow me to sign for engineering design? Wow. This is truly > shocking. Although my subscription to this list suggests I would have > greater than average interest in engineering issues for an architect, there > is no possible way that an architect's typical education and experience > would qualify him/her for actually practicing engineering. In the past it > may have, but certainly not at the present time. Now you have almost scared > me out of even visiting CA, or at least staying out of buildings when there ;^) > > In British Columbia, architects and engineers have a 'memoranda of > agreement' to not do each others work, so architects cannot sign for > engineering, and engineers cannot design buildings (with some exceptions for > industrial type buildings) > > Maura Gatensby Architect > Vancouver, Canada > I think one point I left out in my first post on this particular topic is that my comments are not intended to bash Architects. I have a tremendous respect for the role they play on a project. This includes areas of marketing, coordination and design. Their marketing efforts make it so we don't have to so much of it. The coordination and integration of all of the engineering disciplines, if done right, is a tremendous task. Finally, to paraphrase Jesse Helms, I might not be able to define poor architecture, but I know it when I see it. A project that is architectually designed properly is a sight to behold particularly in times where most clients are only interested in the bottom line. I make this point not to suck up to Architects, but to make my point very clear and that is I do not believe that, in general, Architects do not have the training nor experience to properly design a lateral force resisting system in high seismic regions. We certainly do not have the reciprocal agreement you folks have in BC with the Architects here. In fact, it is easier for an architectural design firm to represent itself as an "Architectural-Engineering" firm than it would be for an engineering firm to represent itself as an "Engineering-Architectural" firm. This is because the California Business and Professions Code that has stated that there is something special about the word "Architecture" and not "Engineering". Further, the author of the building code enforced in most of the western U.S. (ICBO) has made no distinction between the capabilities of an Architect, Civil Engineer or Structural Engineer. So, next time you visit California or any other western US state and go into a building, think back to your structural engineering classes when you were getting your architectural degree and wonder who signed the structural plans. Good Luck!! Regards, Bill Allen --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Received: from server1.seaoc.org (bqe.com [220.127.116.11]) by host1.texramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04063 for <rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org>; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:23:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net by server1.seaoc.org (NTList 3.02.13) id wa019054; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:10:32 -0700 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [18.104.22.168]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/04/01 3.26)) id XAA00959; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:07:35 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: <ballense(--nospam--at)concentric.net> Received: from ALLENDESIGNS (61028d0024la.concentric.net [22.214.171.124]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.5) id XAA14723; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704210307.XAA14723(--nospam--at)mcfeely.concentric.net> From: "Bill Allen, S.E." <ballense(--nospam--at)concentric.net> To: <seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org> Subject: Re: Engineering Issues ad nauseum Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:05:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Error-To: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Loop: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Info: [SEAOC] Owner: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-POP3-Rcpt: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org X-Sender: seaoc-ad(--nospam--at)seaoc.org Precedence: list X-ListMember: rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org [seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org] __________________________________________________ Richard Lewis, P.E. Missionary TECH Team rlewis(--nospam--at)techteam.org The service mission like-minded Christian organizations may turn to for technical assistance and know-how.
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