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At 12:17 PM 8/20/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Wow, the heat must be getting to us all. If you cannot do the project for
>$3,000, then put in a proposal for what you think it will take. If XYZ
>engineering down the street will do it for $2,500, does that mean that you
>need to submit a proposal for $2,495?
>At some point we have to either stop doing this or stop complaining about
>why we don't get paid enough.
>Bill Allen
>> From: Thomas Chiu <Tomchiu(--nospam--at)>
>> To: seaoc(--nospam--at)
>> Subject: FEE Survey
>> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 10:50 AM
>> Hi, I know that the standard structural fee is about 1% for a medium to
>> large job. I got a call from an owner who would like to add a 6,000 sq.
>> ft. office inside his distribution warehouse. The structure will be type
>> V 2-story under the existing warehouse enclosure.  Now, 1% of 6,000 x
>> $50 = $3,000.  There is no way I can do the design for that kind of fee.
>> As I can tell, most of you are from a small office. Consider this a fee
>> survey for a small size commercial job, I would like to find out what
>> would be considered a reasonable fee (design & construction observation)
>> for this type of job.
>> Any comment will be appreciated.
>> Tom Chiu, SE
>> Thomas Engineering
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