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From:	Charles Greenlaw [SMTP:cgreenlaw(--nospam--at)speedlink.com]
Sent:	Saturday, September 20, 1997 12:15 AM
To:	seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org
Subject:	Re: Error in Phone Book - Structural Engineers

Dennis, A quick look at Sect 473.4 of BORPELS's Rules indicates 
that if you
can be deemed as "using" the title structural engineer on 
account of your ad
appearing under that heading in the yellow pages, then you would 
be in
violation of Sect 6787(h) of the PE Act, a misdemeanor, and 
subject to
having the BORPELS Executive Officer issue you a citation that 
orders you to
have the phone company disconnect all numbers in the ad such 
that no calls
to those numbers are referred to your new numbers.

Those phone disconnect rules are part of the "Cite and Fine" 
Regulations
adopted by BORPELS in 1995 following a protracted and 
contentious series of
BORPELS rulemaking meetings and public hearings. I attended and 
testified at
those events regularly, always to identify problems and 
excesses, and to
argue against their adoption. SEAOC had no participation in that 
effort.
Other societies did, and much was achieved. The fix you're in 
was
anticipated, but no cure was obtained.

On the other hand, BORPELS may just get you to do what you 
already intend:
change the listing in the next edition. In 1991, a non-PE 
traffic control
consultant who designed obstacles to be placed in public streets 
was
reported to BORPELS for listing her firm in the Berkeley yellow 
pages under
Consulting Engineers. She agreed to have the ad omitted next 
time. The last
I looked, it was still there, and she still isn't a PE.

Why don't you limit your notifications to your phone co. and 
friendly
competitors, documenting everything airtight, and save BORPELS 
any
distractions in their headlong quest to revoke licenses.

Chuck Greenlaw

Charles,
The section actually lists me as Dennis S. Wish PE and NOT SE. 
There is no direct intention to use the title SE.
I thank you for your advice and have started to make the calls 
to my peers and shall send a formal letter to GTE.
Thanks again for the fast response.
Dennis