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From:	dennismc [SMTP:dennismc(--nospam--at)]
Sent:	Monday, September 29, 1997 5:06 PM
To:	seaoc(--nospam--at)
Subject:	Re: Error in Phone Book - Structural Engineers

I agree with Brian,

You are a Civil Engineer and nothing else, no matter what area 
you work
in.  What ever your license says you are is what you are.

Sounds to me that the board should either ban the use of the 
"Structural" in any context to anyone except structural 
engineers or
require the license number to be present.

Also Dennis, from one of your previous posts, it sounds to me 
that you
tried yourself, were the judge and jury and found yourself 
How do we know you really did this mistakenly.  I know the phone 
does not have a separate catagory for structural engineering, 
structural engineers in my phone book and all the others I've 
looked at.

If you want to continue to talk the talk, take the dam exam and 
prove to
yourself and the rest of us that you are worthy of the title. 
short of this is just verbal retoric justifying your inabilty to 
go the

Dennis McCroskey

Dennis, you amaze me by your narrow-minded interpretation (and 
wrong at that) of what constitutes a practitioner of structural 
engineering. I may be a bit sensitive, but your venom is 
dripping. If you don't like the subject matter then don't read 
it. If you want to debate the issue, use some intelligence 
rather than striking out blindly and hiding your insecurity 
under a blanket of legal semantics. You may feel that your 
opinion is the only side to the issue. The fact is that I am not 
the only CE authorized and licensed to practice structural 
engineering and who does not want to bother with the SE exam. 
Almost 43% of SEAOC "members" are CE's. Count the "member" and 
"member SE" status of the registry. I have not even begun to 
count the hundreds who qualify as instructors who possibly 
posses a great deal more knowledge in the area of structures 
than you do. The titles of CE and SE are only licenses to do 
business and are not de facto standards for qualifications in 
the field of structural engineering.
Your comment to S P Singh was insulting and degrading. It 
clearly demonstrated your disregard for the educators of this 
world. You have forgotten that you practice from codes that may 
have been developed by the diligent testing and research of 
these individuals. No matter what you think, they deserve the 
respect associated with structural engineering and have worked 
as hard as you or I to achieve it. You owe this gentleman an 
apology - with comments such as those you degrade the title of 
 SE by your lack of professionalism.
This list is intended for educational debate and discussion. You 
are welcome not to participate rather than to log on with the 
intention of debasing and insulting others.
Since I am presently qualified and licensed by BORPELS to 
practice structural engineering I have nothing more to "prove". 
If you don't like it, convince BORPELS to stop CE's from 
practicing by removing structural engineering questions and 
going straight to the SE exam.
Your response is simply your personal justification to issue a 
gag order to restrain competition. It has nothing what so ever 
to do with ability or with the protection of the public. I have 
seen many SE's who do not deserve their license and are not 
qualified to practice in area's that they are supposed 
authority. How many times do SE's loose their job from large 
firms and end up designing custom home or wood framed structures 
and find that they have no ability in this area. Since they must 
learn this from scratch, what assures the public that they don't 
make a critical mistake. Your reasoning is flawed and it does 
not take someone as average as I am to prove it.
I resent your implication that I intentionally advertised in the 
wrong section of the phone book to take business away from other 
engineers. Now here is how I think you see the scenario: I found 
that a close friend (who is the other engineer authorized to 
advertise in this section -yes he is licensed as an SE) may have 
earned about $1,500.00 last year from phone book advertising. 
Because of the building boom that has been going on for the last 
year or more I decided to compete with him for my share of this 
$1,500.00 annual return.  Because of this great wealth of 
business opportunity I decided to jeopardize my license and go 
online to brag about it. Maybe I thought I could become a martyr 
and nail myself to BORPELS cross to legally test the waters. I 
also decided to open the flood gates by publicly debating the 
issue with excessively conservative engineers in hopes that I 
could convince them to "see the light" rather than turn me in 
for my malicious deeds.
I misjudged you, I thought you were smart enough to have figured 
this out on your own.
Next time, my friend, remove the fangs before trying to seduce 
me with your friendly bedside manner.