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Dennis S. Wish PE wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From:   dennismc [SMTP:dennismc(--nospam--at)]
> Sent:   Sunday, October 05, 1997 10:03 AM
> To:     seaoc(--nospam--at)
> Subject:        Re: CE licensing a different problem
> Dennis S. Wish PE wrote:
> > I don't however, feel that it is necessary for the engineer to
> > be tested on specialty area's such as those specific to
> > high-rise and essential facility. This is best left to the
> > "expert" or specialist license title.
> >
> > Dennis Wish PE
> >
> >
> The structural exams I have seen do not test anything on
> high-rise or
> essential facilities.  The tests are based on UBC and cover the
> day to
> day things that one practiicing structural engineer does,
> analysis,
> steel design, concrete design and wood design.
> How would the test be any different?
> Dennis McCroskey
> >
> Dennis,
> It's been a long time since I looked at an SE review manual, but
> what I remember, there was a design problem(s) for multi-story
> steel or concrete structures which required extensive knowledge
> of finite element analysis, moment distribution techniques and
> lateral load distribution through rigid diaphragms. I also
> believe that more emphasize is placed on ultimate strength
> design rather than working stress methods. Inasmuch as 99% of
> what I design is based upon working stress methods, I have no
> need to "bone-up" on plastic analysis.

All of these are within the scope of a Civil Engineer practicing
Structural Engineering.  A CE can do a building up to about 13 stories.
Up to about 20 stories, the design procedures are the same.  After that,
the load distribution changes here and there but the member designs are
essentially the same as for a low rise building.

I would expect someone professing to practice Structural Engineering to
know these things, I used them when I was a Civil Engineer practicing
Structural Engineering.

> I would also have thought that the exam covers area's of codes
> used in the design of essential facilities. Schools and
> hospitals require the knowledge of codes (other than UBC)
> mentioned in prior posts. I would assume that the design
> problems are tied into this.

They are not.  As I mentioned before, the difference is some minor
detailing requirements, a few different load factors, not all increases
are allowed and the quality control is more extensive. The engineering
principals are all the same.

> Possibly, someone who went through the most recent SE exam (last
> October I believe) could enlighten us on some of the design
> problems.
> Dennis Wish PE