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At 18:55 10/8/97 -0700, Bill Allen wrote:

> To capsulate, I have less of a problem with civil engineers doing
structural engineering (particularly those of the caliber participating on
this list serve) than I do with architects practicing structural
engineering, the general public _thinking_ that architects provide
structural engineering services and civil engineers with very little
structural engineering experience being able to stamp and sign structural
designs in seismic zone 4.

Bill-
I strongly agree with your sentiments!  It is indeed ironic that the two
key provisions (cited below) where a structural engineer can and a civil
can't do it, by law,  allow an architect to fucntion on an equal footing
with the structural engineer.

Bill Cain, SE
Oakland, CA

Excerpts from the Education and the Health & Safety Codes:

Education Code: (Re: Schools)
Section 39148.  (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), all plans,
specifications, and estimates shall be prepared by a licensed
architect holding a valid certificate under Chapter 3 (commencing
with Section 5500) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code
or by a structural engineer holding a valid certificate to use the
title structural engineer under Chapter 7 (commencing with Section
6700) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, and the
observation of the work of construction shall be under the
responsible charge of such an architect or structural engineer.
   (b) For the purposes of this section, a mechanical or electrical
engineer holding a valid certificate under Chapter 7 (commencing with
Section 6700) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code may
be in responsible charge of preparation of plans, specifications,
and estimates, and observation of the work of construction where the
work is, as determined by the Department of General Services, of the
kind normally performed by engineers certified in the particular
branch of engineering for which the engineer is certified.  Any
architectural or structural work involved shall be the respective
responsibility of a licensed architect holding a valid certificate
under Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 5500) of Division 3 of the
Business and Professions Code, or a structural engineer holding a
valid certificate to use the title structural engineer under Chapter
7 (commencing with Section 6700) of Division 3 of the Business and
Professions Code.


Health & Safety Code:  (Re: Hospitals)
Section 129805.  All plans and specifications shall be prepared under the
responsible charge of an architect or a structural engineer, or both.
  A structural engineer shall prepare the structural design and shall
sign plans and specifications related thereto.  Administration of
the work of construction shall be under the responsible charge of the
architect and structural engineer, except that where plans and
specifications for alterations or repairs do not affect architectural
or structural conditions, the plans and specifications may be
prepared and work of construction may be administered by a
professional engineer duly qualified to perform the services and
holding a valid certificate under Chapter 7 (commencing with Section
6700) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code for
performance of services in that branch of engineering in which the
plans, specifications, and estimates and work of construction are
applicable.

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BILL CAIN, SE
OAKLAND, CA
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