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-----Original Message-----
From:	Roger Turk [SMTP:73527.1356(--nospam--at)]
Sent:	Friday, October 24, 1997 3:27 PM
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Subject:	Re: open house

Ernie N.:

By now your daughter probably has an armfull of comments from 
the list and
elsewhere, confirming that whenever two engineers get together, 
they have 6
different opinions on the same subject.

Roger, I beg to differ. We live in a 3-D world and don't see 
life in only two dimensions. Therefore, you can assume for every 
engineer there is six degrees of opinions and therefore twelve 
opinions for two engineers!!!!!!

The decision of what college to go to is, of course, your 
daughter's, as is
the decision of what branch of engineering to study, or, whether 
to study
engineering at all.

I would think that she should go for an undergraduate degree in 
Civil Engineering at any school and then study law at the best 
university she can get into. We all know that the best 
engineering you can do to earn a decent living is engineering 
law. I personally know of some geographic areas that are virgin 
territory to new lawyers looking to sue engineers and 


Probably the most important aspect, whether Papa is going to pay 
or daughter
pays, either from savings, part-time jobs or scholarships. 
 Student loans are
easy to get, *but*, she should not forget that they have to be 
paid back.

Paid back - possibly more than once. My wife and I just got a 
notice from the Department of Education that it is time to pay 
back her student loan that she took out in 1981 (National Direct 
Student Loan). We paid the loan back twelve years ago. The DOE 
demands that we prove it. We discarded all records past ten 
years about a year ago. So did Wells Fargo Bank who we made our 
payments by check from. So did the IRS who we would have claimed 
a deduction for interest in the Reagan era. Now we have no proof 
that we paid the loan back and have to fight this out in court. 
Funny thing though, the DOE claims that we are not behind and 
that we have no additional interest due after seventeen years of 
dodging and evasive measures to keep from paying back the loan.
BTW, the school that she took the loan from is no longer in 
business and appears that the recovered records are no longer 
available. The DOE claims that they assume the information 
received about the amount due is valid and it is up to us to 
prove otherwise.
Fortunately, I bartered some work with an attorney who worked 
for the government. If any of you has had this happen and know 
of measures to combat this, please let me know.

Just thought I would add a few funny and depressing comments to 
this thread.