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This is just another in a long list of threads where we banter about
recommendations for "changing the world" and nothing will ever happen. We
can discuss the merits of a common cad system until we are all blue in the
face, but it will be impossible to get our clients to conform.

With my current setup, I have to work like a chameleon sometimes having to
conform to my client's standards. Other times, I use my own. If someone is
willing to hire me and they want me to conform to a particular cad standard
(and are willing to pay for it), I'll do it.

The only valuable topic in this thread IMHO (O.K., not so H) is the
discussion on how we can make our individual systems more efficient. I'll
participate in that one. Otherwise, it's (this thread) is a waste of time.

Bill Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Grandmaison <robert(--nospam--at)>
To: 'seaoc(--nospam--at)' <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 10:36 AM

James et al:

I am wholeheartedly behind the effort to adopt some sort of industry wide
standard. I think we all need to give a little and meet at some common
ground for the good of *all* of us...and by all of us I mean anyone who has
to share a file with another person.

If you NEVER need to share a file, or receive one from another person then
do whatever you'd like to when it comes to CAD standards.

I think what happens with CAD managers (myself being one of them) is that
when they invest a lot of their time and energy (and I might add egos) into
an in-house developed system they are very reluctant to give it up. If they
had it their way they would suggest that the world adopts their
standard...(ee for example how often people will post their layer names,
etc., to a mail list or site). However, the only way any sort of industry
standard will ever be adopted is if we can all (or at least most of us) put
aside our own invented system and agree for the betterment of all to use a
STANDARD- not something that is invented of our own volition.

I won't bother describing the system I'm currently using- I'm not interested
in using it any longer if I can use a system that will help me work with
others. As a consultant that's what I spend a great deal of time
doing...working with others.

Just my $.02,

Robert Grandmaison
MKM & Associates