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From:	Bill Allen [SMTP:BAllenSE(--nospam--at)]
Sent:	Sunday, October 26, 1997 12:16 PM
To:	seaoc(--nospam--at)
Subject:	Re: Open House/Caustic Remarks

Also, I have also been accused of being negative and cynical. I 
can only
report on the experiences that have happened to me personally. 
For those who
have read my previous e-mail posts (as well as those who know me 
know that I do not "sugar coat" my opinions. I'll leave the 
"warm and
fuzzies" to others.

[Dennis S. Wish PE]  I have gotten to know Bill on this list as 
well as privately. I can honestly say that he is negative and 
cynical. He also doe not hold back his opinions, which I respect 
him for. However, I disagree with his opinions (as I do with 
most of his opionions).
My son graduated college with a degree in Criminal Justice. I 
often wondered how an honor student gets into this type of 
profession and wished that he would see the errors of his ways 
before he got hurt. Instead, I supported him as I had when he 
wanted to be a pro-ball player at age 10. As my luck would have 
it, he found it very difficult and very political trying to get 
on a local police force. While waiting his turn on the lists, he 
went back to school to get his masters degree and teaching 
certificate. A job finally came through - not one but three 
offers. He turned them all down. Next summer he graduates with 
his masters and has been student teaching high school for the 
last six months - and he loves it.
My point is that my son Josh, chose a field with much personal 
reward, but very little money. The reward he gets from it is the 
same reward that I get from my job. Many of you have read my 
posts, and in a good majority of them I would appear to be a 
dissatisfied Civil worker, not enough money, worried about 
getting sued, looking over my shoulder for any SE out to get me 
because of my comments. But truthfully, I am in a profession 
that I choose and one that I receive may personal rewards and 
satisfaction from. If you can't feel this way about your job 
then you really need to reconsider your options.
I was fortunate to dabble in Architecture, Sales and Business as 
well as Engineering. I also droped in and out of school over 
twenty years to take courses that interested me besides my 
typical engineering classes. No matter how frustrated I get with 
the problems and politics in this field, I am thankful that I 
have this ability and have made it work to pay for a nice home 
in a nice area that my family can enjoy.
Sure, there are risks as there are in any field. You can own a 
store and have a client trip on your step and sue. You can be a 
doctor and make a mistake (however you may be financially 
happier, but then again I hate needles and blood). You can be a 
laborer and worry about your back. You can be an Architect and 
be ridiculed by most engineers or you can be a contractor - the 
lowliest lifeform on earth (just kidding).
Every job has it's strong and weak sides. It's what we make out 
of it and how we look forward to facing the challenges each day.
My advise to the young is to pay your dues and gain as much 
experience from working for people for as long as you can. Make 
a plan that limits the field if you choose to go it alone. Be 
practicle and cautious. Don't expect growth unless you are 
willing to gamble for it. As with most of us, you may find peace 
of mind simply working alone. Finally, learn good work habits. 
Working alone doesn't mean having a lot of time to do what you 
want. Working alone generally means working longer and harder 
than working for others, but what you accomplish is directly 
proportional to the effort that you put in.
Whatever you decide, don't commit to a field that doesn't make 
your heart soar.

Dennis Wish PE