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It's starting to sound like I misunderstood the goals of this effort. I was
under the impression that the results of this work would attempt to lead
towards an industry wide CAD standard, which I think is a waste of time.
However, it appears that the goal actually is to develop some guidelines to
assist an office to set up their own CAD standards if they haven't already.
If this is the case, I apologize for my offensive comments to all. If the
results of this effort produces a document similar to the one published by
seaoc for seismic design of small buildings it will indeed be a noble
effort. That document, while I disagree with several items in it, is a great
guideline for addressing seismic detailing issues on small projects. I guess
it would have been a little clearer to me if the topic was "seaoc CAD
standards guideline" rather than "seaoc CAD standards". To me, a document
say in Microsoft Word format that specifies layer names, detail bubble
sizes, etc. that can be customized by the person in a particular office who
is in charge of CAD standards would be extremely valuable. I developed all
of my standards on my own and by trial and error. I wasted way too much time
in this trial and error process.

My apologies to all.
Bill Allen, the cynic
-----Original Message-----
From: James A. Lord <jlord(--nospam--at)>
To: seaoc(--nospam--at) <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:18 PM

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Allen <BAllenSE(--nospam--at)>
>To: seaoc(--nospam--at) <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
>Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 10:51 AM
>>This is just another in a long list of threads where we banter about
>>recommendations for "changing the world" and nothing will ever happen.
>No Bill, this is one instance where engineers are banding together and
>actually doing something.  You may have your own CAD already setup and
>running but their are a lot of others who do not.  This is an area that
>SEAOC can provide a real service.
>James Lord, S.E.
>URS Greiner