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- From: Neil Moore <nmoore(--nospam--at)spider.lloyd.com>
- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:59:45 -0800 (PST)
>On Sat, 01 Nov 1997 13:18:16, Nigel Mends wrote: >"You know, this is the second such comment I've read in this thread today. No >offense, but I submit that demonizing politicians and legislators as "fat >cats," for example, oversimplifies the problem the profession faces and reduces the >situation to "us" versus a now-cartoon "them." I sense the same pejorative >attitude in the way folks refer to the public here, in many cases. We must >remember that we are dealing with *people*, no more, no less, and like all >people they come in good forms and bad ones. > >Let's face it: as a profession we have been and continue to be rather >insular, and we generally consider politics beneath our collective dignity; that >getting involved in the public arena would somehow "soil" us. The evidence >provided by the number of problems the profession faces, and we've provided a pretty good >list of them here over the last few months, and the lack of success the >discussion indicates we've had in dealing them with them, would indicate that >perhaps we should try a new approach in all such arenas. Consider that aphorism: > "Repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome >defines >insanity." :-)" > > >[Bill Cain] I must strongly agree with Nigel. I have served on a local >city council including a term as mayor and currently serve on the local >school board. There are capable and incapable (and yes, some outright >"crooks") people serving. One thing I've noticed is an almost complete >lack of participation in local government by engineers (at least in my >area). Participation is one of the easiest ways to make sure things are >done on a rational basis. Sure it takes time and effort, but what >enterprise that is worthwhile doesn't? > >I would challenge all of you who want to complain about the system to >instead put that energy into improving it by your active participation. >You can make a huge difference! >> >>Neil Moore wrote: >> >>> I agree that this is an excellent idea but not politically feasible in some >>> areas. We use to do plan checking for a city on the San Francisco >>> peninsula and ran into trouble because we were enforcing the minimum UBC. >>> We were dismissed because we rejected a civil-surveyor type's structural >>> calculation's and plan submittal for the fifth or sixth time. >>> >>> If this could become a reality, would there be a way to eliminate the >>> political pressures on building departments by politicians and fat cats? > Bill and Nigel: Consider our local county water board election tomorrow. Some quotes from one of the members "hit" mailer received late last week: The mailer's propaganda against the opponent says: (An engineer) "Is Obsessed with a vendetta..." "Supports the Regional Water Quality Board's overzealous demands......but will cost rate payers anywhere from $12 to $ million." "....He made a major blunder, giving it a clean bill of health,..... cost E.I.D. rate payers a $100,000 fine." "In spite of the troubles he caused, has the audacity to chastise E.I.D......" The sender of this mailer is the incumbent. His qualifications? Well, a degree in Political Science with Management and Supervision or an Equivalent Bachelor's Degree in Management and Supervision, depending upon which mailer you read. He is also a former real estate agent. There is also a second position on this board with an engineer contesting this spot. He was subject to a similar hit piece just before this election and also has no way to respond to any untruthful statements by his opponent. To compete for votes in this arena requires a very tough skin with the capacity to be able to take blind sides and continue on. Neil Moore, S.E.
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