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Bill & Dennis:

Sorry about my slow response, but I have been tied up for the past two
weeks in depositions (in the odd position of defending the United States
of America, armed only with my brain and my tongue).  Also, I tried to
hold out until the Cowboys won a football game ... an obviously stupid

Since the house was manufactured in Texas, it clearly has no flaws ;^>!

Seriously, this type of problem has been around for many years ... ever
since the first "pre-engineered" metal building was shipped across state
lines.  It would seem to me that the first responsibility lies with the
manufacturer.  Didn't they represent to the buyer that their product was
fit for use?  Perhaps an attorney could help them to remember their
obligation as EOR.  If not, I don't see any problem (except $) in having
a third party California engineer completely re-calculate the entire
structure and foundation, and then modify the existing construction
documents and seal them.  Just don't try this in Texas, where the
documents would need to be redrawn (more $). 

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Ya'll!

Stan R. Caldwell. P.E.
Dallas, Texas
Barry & Ernie ... history in less than 48 hours 

>From: 	Bill Allen[SMTP:BAllenSE(--nospam--at)]
>Sent: 	Friday, December 12, 1997 3:33 PM
>To: 	seaoc(--nospam--at)
>Subject: 	Re: Stamping Plans - A new question
>Stan Caldwell, are you listening?
>Bill Allen
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wish <wish(--nospam--at)>
>To: seaoc(--nospam--at) <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
>Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 1:19 PM
>Subject: Stamping Plans - A new question
>>I received a call from a client (an architect) whose client purchased a
>>steel stud home designed and manufactured in Texas for use in Los Angeles.
>>The home was designed using steel straps for lateral bracing rather than
>>plywood shear walls.
>>The manufacturer did not provide the foundation analysis and would only
>>stamp the plans and calcs for their product.
>>The city required another engineer for the installation and design of a
>>on grade - no unusual soils conditions here, basic minimum code value City
>>of L.A. slab on grade. The architect hired an engineer for the foundation,
>>but the engineer would not take responsibility for the structure (and
>>rightly so).
>>The City refused the plans stating that they wanted only one engineer of
>>record and neither the manufacture of the home or the foundation engineer
>>was willing.
>>You can see where this is going. The client has only one choice as I see
>>They must hire an engineer to redesign or justify the original design and
>>details. Would it be legal for an engineer who agrees with the original
>>design and detailing to approve the set even though it was not created
>>his direct supervision or he was not involved in the original design
>>If it is not legal, how do we protect the public or force the out-of-state
>>engineer to insure that his product is buildable in another state where he
>>may not be licensed?
>>Any suggestions?
>>Dennis S. Wish PE