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There is usually a role for everyone sincere enough to offer his or her
services.  It behoves the "leaders" to judge the capacity of any individual
and re-delegate according to the capabilities available.  This as fitting in
times of chaos as in normal circumstances.

Thor Tandy

-----Original Message-----
From: Serroels, Chris/SAC <CSerroel(--nospam--at)CH2M.com>
To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org <seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: Disaster dilemma


>How many architects have assisted in post-eq inspections
>in the past?  If they are left out of the equation, are there
>enough building officials, civil engineers, and structural
>engineers to get the first pass inspections done in a
>timely manner.
>
>Do we really feel that they are not competent to make
>the assessments.  If they receive the rapid evaluation
>training (ATC20) they should be able to make
>appropriate assessments.  To be fair to the architects,
>we send a lot of young engineers out on these inspections
>(present company included).  When I went out on Northridge
>it was a very intimidating experience.  I was a pretty young
>engineer and my partner was in the same boat.  What
>experience we did have was in bridge design.  I feel that
>we made prudent decisions, but having an more experienced
>engineer on the team would of been extremely beneficial.
>
>Let's not sell displaced homeowners short by making
>them wait longer than they need to reoccupy their homes
>just because we have a grudge with architects.
>
>As a side note, I wonder if it would be possible to pair up
>inspection teams so that if there is an inexperienced engineer
>or architect that they go out with an experienced civil or structural
>engineer.  I know that after an eq there is a fair amount of
>disarray no matter how good the planning, so logistically this
>may be hard to implement.  Nevertheless, it may be something
>to consider.
>
>Chris
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Allen,S.E. [SMTP:BAllenSE(--nospam--at)pacbell.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 1:46 PM
>> To: seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org
>> Subject: Re: Disaster dilemma
>>
>> Hey! It's our own damn fault by letting ICBO and BORPELS get away with
>> giving
>> the architect the same level of competency in structural engineering.
>> If you
>> don't like the way things are - complain to them!!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Allen
>>
>> Tom Chiu wrote:
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>> > What! Architects to inspect damaged buildings, you must be kidding.
>> > No wonder, the green tags were changed to red tags, after the
>> engineers
>> > went inside the buildings.  You see, the architects were too busy
>> > looking at the exterior of the buildings, checking out curtain
>> walls,
>> > carpeting etc.
>> >
>> > Tom Chiu, SE
>> > Thomas Engineering
>> >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >From:  Richard_Ranous/OES(--nospam--at)oes.ca.gov
>> [SMTP:Richard_Ranous/OES(--nospam--at)oes.ca.gov]
>> > > >Sent:  Tuesday, January 20, 1998 9:49 AM
>> > > >To:    seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org
>> > > >Subject:       Re: Disaster dilema
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >We should be able to handle most any request for assistance in
>> safety
>> > > >assessment.  We have close to 6,000 individuals registered
>> between SEAOC,
>> > > >AIA, ACIA, ASCE, and CALBO.  For Northridge we used 600 plus
>> around 200
>> > > >from the Army Corps of Engineers.
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