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- From: "wish" <wish(--nospam--at)cwia.com>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:58:25 -0800
First, I am not trying to offend SE's, I am only stating a point. You can just as easily pass the SE exam without knowledge of Residential lightweight wood framing. This is because residential construction other than multi-unit residential was not considered sufficient experience to compensate for the requirments to take and pass the SE exam. It may have changed over the last few years but the last time I played with the idea of taking the SE exam (which I have not done to date), I was informed that the extent of residential design work I did would not be sufficient experience. Fortunately, I had a very strong background in years of Seismic retrofit of URM buildings - which does qualify. I have never worked for nor have I designed tall steel structures, concrete framed buildings, tall masonry (I have done one or two), parking structures, bridges, and the like. My practice has been pretty basic - stick to what I do best and know well. There are PHD's that have gained enough experience from education to take the SE exam in California. I know a few. Now, they have been licensed for at least fifteen years and possibly the regulations have changed. Let me know, I would be interested in this knowledge. Finally, one of our list members has been writting back and forth with me as he intends to work his way into timber construction. He has had no prior experience in this area as his experience is in concrete and steel. He is qualified to take the SE exam without the knowledge of wood. So what makes wood different from other materials except that the buildling codes have considered the cost of life of one family compared to multi-residential, commercial and industrial, to be of low risk importance and therefore not worthy of of SE's who have more experience and need to work on projects more in keeping with their proven status. I am deliberatly being cynical since I believe that wood design is as important as any other material and am pleased to have a very strong knowledge of it. Suddenly, after Loma Prieta, Northridge and Hurricane Andrew the Insurance Industry has shifted their concern and attention to wood construction and the necessity for hazard mitigation and improvement in the construction and detailing phases. Why should the Insurance companies be the main motivation for our concern whether a family is devasted by loss of life or by loss of assets. Either way you look at it a displaced family or a dead one is a tradgety. So don't misunderstand my comments. Having an SE designation is not a guarantee that the individual is any more competent than his CE counterpart - it is only that he is expected to be. Dennis Wish PE -----Original Message----- From: Tom.Hunt(--nospam--at)fluordaniel.com <Tom.Hunt(--nospam--at)fluordaniel.com> To: SEAOC(--nospam--at)seaoc.org <SEAOC(--nospam--at)seaoc.org> Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 5:01 PM Subject: SE by Education? > Dennis Wish wrote: > > "Bill, I really wasn't trying to point fingers, just make a statement > of fact. There are SE's out there who obtained the designation by > education alone (PHD's etc) or by working on public works projects and > who have little or no experience in the private sector." > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I hope Dennis is not referring to Licensed SEs. 100 PHDs will not get > you an SE license in Calif. (unless you were old enough for the > grandfather clause, i.e. very old). Just to take the exam you need at > least three licensed SEs to verify (under perjury of the law) that the > applicant has in fact performed real world structural engineering. > There is also a minimum requirement for the number of years worked > past obtaining your college degree. > > Thomas Hunt, > Fluor Daniel > > >
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