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As I mentioned in one of many posts, we had been contacted by a junior board
member of Borpels about eight months ago who presented a compilation of our
posts on the subject of CE Vs. SE. I'm not saying that the general consensus
agreed with changing the titles to SE Grade 1 and II, but it seemed to be
unanimous that we weed out those not qualified to practice structural
Inasmuch as BORPELS should be aware or our collective voice, I would highly
recommend that you retrieve these articles from the archives on the website
and present them a second time to BORPELS. Offhand, I don't remember the
name of the junior member who contact us (Bill Allen might) but I believe
that he was practicing in Big Bear area and is a CE.
You will also find a ton of posts more recent (including the thread you or
Rawn Nelson started).
If what you say is seriously being considered by BORPELS and SEAOC, Bill
Allen and I will rejoice. This will mean that this list has finally been
taken seriously and that our collective voices are "getting involved" and
helping to shape the future of our profession.
I thank you and Bill Warren, Jim Lai and the others from the board who have
been working in our behalf.
One issue you brought up is the boards contact with the membership. I
believe that you have more contact with a larger group of professional who
speak out on issues on the list than you do with our paid membership. To
poll the paid membership is costly and would more-than-likely yield very
apathetic results. One of the advantages to the list is the anonimity of the
member (and professional non-member) who can organize his thoughts and
deliver a very pointed and well stated position. As the list grows so will
your collective voice.
Best of luck to those of you who recognize the benifits of our international
Dennis Wish PE

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard_Ranous/OES(--nospam--at) <Richard_Ranous/OES(--nospam--at)>
To: seaoc(--nospam--at) <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 9:40 AM
Subject: Registration

>I guess in some respects we (board members) have been remiss in not
>communicating with our members and the engineering community as a whole.
>Much of what has been bouncing around in the thread of registration is a
>primary item on our agendas for every meeting.
>In California, all four local boards and the State board are pushing for
>two level structural registration which includes continuing education.  The
>SE I and SE II registrations are defined for those individuals who are
>designing structural systems for buildings and structures.  Additionally,
>this concept is spreading across the country.  NCSEA has taken the lead in
>bringing this issue to the forefront.
>At this time we are looking at a national exam for both SE I and SE II
>categories.  The SE II designation would use the Western States exam which,
>in the past, was written by SEAOC members and used as the SE exam in
>California.  The idea is to have, as Bill Warren stated, a national
>registration issued by the State but recognized nationally.
>At the California level, SEAOC is trying to convince Borpels to move in
>this direction.  However, it is slow going when you are working with a
>State agency that determines what it can and will do based on its yearly
>budget.  (I'm not offering excuses for them, it's just reality).
>Your voices have been heard and your desires are being acted on.  It would
>be nice to be able to tell you it WILL happen and when.  Unfortunately, we
>can't do that.
>Right now, our attention is somewhat split between the registration issue
>and the PECG initiative.  I would say that right now our most important
>battle is the PECG initiative.  But, we are not letting the registration
>issue linger.  In the next month SEAOC will be appearing before Borpels to
>try and convince them of the merit of re-writing the professional engineers
>act to establish structural as a full practice act at two levels with
>continuing education requirements.
FN:Dennis S. Wish