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Dennis, my dear friend, I don't really care if you served in the Armed Forces, went to Canada or wore a dress and shaved your legs during Vietnam. If you re-read my original post, you will notice it did not really require a response nor was I looking for one. The main reason for my post is that today is the silver anniversary of a very significant period in American history (good or bad) and not many seem to remember it. I might have missed it altogether except VFW sent me a calender (no, I'm not a member) which we have on our refrigerator. Pro or con, it marked a period in American history where we stopped trusting our government carte blanche, a milestone in the maturation of our democracy.

After I got out of the service I too was disappointed in the loss of life, the chaos at home and all of the other ramifications of post war syndrome, POW's, MIA's and the like. I was pretty anti-Vietnam for many years after that until, about nine years after the Peace Accord, I was having lunch with a colleague who is a Vietnamese National. I mentioned that I served in the Navy during the war and then he shared his story. He said that, before the fall of Saigon, he had an opportunity to come to the US to get his Phd. Saigon fell shortly after he left. He felt that he had abandoned his country. As he spoke, a tear rolled down his cheek. He then brought up a story about another Vietnamese national whom I also worked with. He left Vietnam after the fall of Saigon along with a lot of others. They were known as "boat people". When he left Vietnam, it took $4,000 (in gold) to buy a spot on the boat. Two boats left at the same time. During departure, one boat sank and all the passengers drowned. This particular Vietnamese was on the other boat (naturally) where the men were robbed and the women were raped. When the boat reached shore, the only possession this individual had was one shoe. That's it! After that lunch, I was no longer angry that we were involved with the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization, just that we were not ropriate in the respect of differing opinons.

Dennis Wish PE

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Turk <73527.1356(--nospam--at)>
To: seaoc(--nospam--at) <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 3:29 PM
Subject: This is totally inapprop

>Bill Allen was on the USS ENTERPRISE at the end of the Vietnam conflict.  I
>was on the USS BEGOR (APD-127) at the very beginning of the Vietnam
>arriving in Haiphong (Yes, Haiphong, N. Vietnam) 7 days after the Geneva
>agreement was signed ending the French-Indo China war and beginning the
>Passage to Freedom operations where civilians were supposed to be free to
>leave North Vietnam for 6 months.  Dr. Thomas A. Dooley and his corpsmen
>quartered on the ship and related to us the atrocities on the supposedly
>*free to leave* civilians that they witnessed.  Some, but not the most
>horrific, atrocities are described in Dr. Dooley's first book, "The Night
>They Burned the Mountain."
>I, too, am embarrassed about the spectacle that draft dodger number 1 is
>A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
>Tucson, Arizona
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