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For the record, I agree that Carter was an ineffective president. However, I
have a tremendous respect for the accomplishment this man made after his
term in office. His hard work with Habitate for Humanity has inspired others
to provide much needed housing in this country for those who otherwise would
not have the opportunity. In my area we have the Coachella Valley Housing
Coalition that has a backlog of 5000 families waiting for homes. The local
government absorbs a percentage of their mortgage up to 50% depending upon
the number of children and family income. The owners, like with Habitate for
Humanity, are required to put in 40 hours a week sweat equity on their
homes. To further help, Americorp volunteers are provided. These volunteers
are, in my area, young women who their labor for $4,700.00 worth of college
Habitate also fostered the Boys and Girls Club of America to start a program
out here where High School Students are trained and expected to build a home
during their school year in addition to their regular curriculum. This is
known as the Building Horizons program which I volunteer my experience to.
This program has grown over the last three years and this year we are
building four homes with classes from two high schools.
Carter has paid his dues and did much for the american people. Maybe not as
president, but he most certainly deserves much respect for his subsequent
Dennis Wish PE

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Warne <jwarne(--nospam--at)>
To: seaoc(--nospam--at) <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: This is totally inappropriate for this listserve..

>Bill Allen's message:
>>  "The rest of the
>> world is laughing at us, just like when Carter was in."
>Not laughing.... just fascinated; at least in our part of the world.
>What's wrong with a country that puts the public's right to know above
looking good at all costs?
>We don't know how this show will turn out, but we know we're likely to know
a lot more about your leader, when it's over, than
>we will about any other world leader, including our own.
>Our top judges are appointed by our Prime Minister, without any public
screening at all. You expose Supreme Court nominees to
>trial by fire. It may not be elegant, but at least the public respects the
winners in the process. Why not set high standards
>for high jobs?
>As for the Vietnam comments... wow! I'd forgotten there was that much
emotion about the war. Of course it's easy to "armchair
>quarterback" that contest, but you guys were really trying to make the
world safe and free, at the time. I hope the vets and
>ex-protesters now see each other's viewpoints after all these years.
>And watch your language about Carter ... I like him.  He was an engineer,
too, as I recall (as was Herbert Hoover). Those were
>tricky times, and you can't knock his efforts or his motives. Certainly his
personal example is above reproach.
>As far as political comment goes, of course it's innapropriate and out of
place on "our" technical list server. But I'm
>enjoying this thread.
>And they thought structural engineers were dull.
>Jim Warne
>Vancouver, Canada
FN:Dennis S. Wish