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- From: BCainse <BCainse(--nospam--at)aol.com>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:48:35 EST
In a message dated 98-01-28 13:10:58 EST, Christopher Wright wrote: << The main point is whether he's committed an impeachable crime, namely did he in fact obstruct justice by telling what's-'er-name to lie under oath. If she really did lie under oath. If not telling the truth about one's personal life were a crime, there'd be no one outside prison minding the store. All the Presidents in modern times told whoppers, 'forgot' things, or left their hearing aids on the night table. Do we think less of Eisenhower's character when he denied the U-2 shoot-down or George Bush when he claimed he was out of the loop? There's a real world out there--I don't like parts of it, but it isn't going away. The people we work for don't tell us the truth; others lie under oath and still others boink their colleagues, employees or neighbors and deny it. Hell, I hear some engineers even stamp other peoples' drawings. We're never going to resolve America's love of salacious gossip and the prudish streak that gave us prohibition. Let's concentrate on our own moral dilemmas and get back to engineering. >> [Bill Cain] Having served on the "other side" as an elected official in two separate areas on the local level (former City Council Member and current member of the local Board of Education) I have had the opportunity to observe other elected officials from a unique perspective. I have observed those with high moral standards and those with low. I frankly have seen little correlation between moral standards and effectiveness. The key thing seems to be if the public believes the official is taking care of their interests and issues (and that evaluation doesn't take a rocket scientist when the interests and issues are usually economic (what taxes they (the public) are charged or what services they get) and not who is screwing who. That is reality. The public seems to want results, not angels. The obscene abuse to me is what a Special Prosecutor is doing spending untold millions and three years investigating a failed $250,000 land deal with NO PRODUCT (Expense to cost ratio=120:1, Benefit to Cost Ratio=ZERO) then expanding an investigation to who got into who's pants or who was in the "Oral Office" or what either person told the other person. From this mornings polls, it appears the American people don't care about about those issues. They just want their "goodies" and feel they got them in the "State of the Union" speech. Why don't we just accept that people may screw or get a blow job and really don't want to tell the world they did, get on with life and spend the money on educating our kids rather than Special Prosecutors. The $30 million or so spent to date could have paid the yearly salary and benefits for another 600 teachers or built the state of the art high school for 1000 students my community needs to replace a seismically deficient one built in 1933. From all the sidebars in the newspapers over the past week, it appears that most every President has done something "unseemly" (and that is from both sides of the political spectrum). After all they are (were) all human although I guess we could argue about the one that resigned [although to his credit, he left some positive legacies too]. One thing that has never made sense to me is charging a subsidiary action (perjury or suborning perjury, conspiracy, etc.) as being worse than the act to which it relates. It didn't make sense during the demonstrations about the Vietnam War and it doesn't make sense now. As for the appropriateness of this thread on the listserver, I think it gives us a chance to celebrate the ethics that most structural engineers hold. Last survey I saw said that engineers, in general, are held in high regard by the public and people tend to believe us much more than say lawyers or politicians (So I guess that makes me only half believable :<O ). From my participation in the list, I have seen some outstanding examples of people trying to do what's right. Having a discussion of this type shows our community (those on the listserver) are multi-dimensional and diverse. It also helps us to explore our ethical foundations and to understand one another a little better as people. It also is theraputic to vent to friends! Sorry for rambling! Bill Cain, SE Albany, CA
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