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Your $0.02 is worth is a bargain. Well said.

Bill Allen

> From: Richard Lewis <rlewis(--nospam--at)>
> To: seaoc(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Re: Re: plan dimension standards
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 6:55 AM
> seaoc(--nospam--at),Internet writes:
> I usually refer all dimension to the architectural plan, except for say,
> major column line to line dimension, top of steel elevations.  Why, we
> all know that architect always change dimension before we even notice
> it.  Just have to update our drawings every so often. I don't see any
> choice.  I also incorporate a note in my General note requiring the
> contractor to coordinate dimensions in all drawings and bring to my
> attention of any discrepencies before proceeding to construction. 
> That's my back-up insurance in case I miss something.
> I understand your position (and the position of a large part of the list
> server), but I can't agree with it.  Please don't take this personal, I
> singled out your letter because it made some comments I think lots of
> agree with, so nothing personal here.
> As the design professional, we are responsible for coordinating our
> dimensions.  We should not put this responsibility on the contractor.  If
> there are discrepancies between the structural drawings and the
> drawings it is a breakdown in communication and coordination between the
> architect and the engineer and it is not up to the contractor to
> us out!!
> I prefer to include all dimensions on my drawing that are important to
> structure and the design.  I want everyone who looks at my drawings to
> what I designed it for.  If my dimensions do not match the architects
> drawings and the contractor points that out then I do one of two things;
>    1.  I go back to the Architect and the Owner and apologize for having
> drawings and tell them I will do whatever I need to to straighten them
>     2.  I chew out the architect for changing the dimensions and not
> me.  It is his responsibility to coordinate any changes he makes with the
> consultants.
> If the architect changes dimensions and as a result my design is
> because the span was enlarged, shear increased, etc. and a structural
> begins to occur, I can point back to my drawing and say "Hey, it was not
> designed for that.  Here is the dimension it was designed for".  If I
> included the dimension on the plan and the architect changed it then how
> anybody to know that the design was inadequate?  And how can I justify,
> court if need be, that I designed it correctly?
> I realize this is an ideal world situation where the architect and the
> consultants fully coordinate their drawings.  But isn't that what the
> is paying for?  Do we write clauses in our contracts that state
> of all dimensions is the Owners and Contractors responsibility?  NO! 
> Therefore lets do the job we are paid to due.  If an architect
> makes changes on you without telling you then write it in to your
> about extra service billing for making these changes.  If he still does
> then maybe you shouldn't be working for him because they are a disaster
> waiting to happen!  The hardest thing is to turn down work, but if
> for them compromises your integrity as an engineer then maybe you should
> be working for them.
> My $0.02
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