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Too late....

We have already purchased advertising in your on-line newsletter and
made a special offer exclusively for SEAOC members (you will have to
wait until you get it to hear about it...I don't want to turn this into
an advertisement).  I hope my intentions were not misunderstood by
everyone...I was only trying to offer a suggestion. And, more
importantly, I hope Bill was just kidding!!!


>From: 	Bill Allen[SMTP:BAllenSE(--nospam--at)]
>Sent: 	Thursday, February 19, 1998 3:30 PM
>To: 	seaoc(--nospam--at)
>Subject: 	Re: Company Advertising
>Ok, participants. It's time for a vote. Is it time to draw and quarter Joe
>Deppe and boycott EaglePoint software or to "encourage" EaglePoint to buy
>advertisement at the SEAOC web site?
>Bill Allen
>> From: Bill Cain, S.E. <bcain(--nospam--at)>
>> To: seaoc(--nospam--at)
>> Subject: Re: Company Advertising
>> Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 12:33 PM
>> At 13:21 2/19/98 -0600, Joe Deppe wrote:
>> >I have monitored this site for quite some time now and have offered
>> >information and solutions to many inquiries without advertising any
>> >products.  The response to the Visio inquiries included information
>> >about Eagle Point as a reference point for more information, not to push
>> >the product
>> >
>> >I appreciate that this is not a 24-hour bulletin board for advertising
>> >and never intended to use it as one.  Other companies, or
>> >representatives of their companies, plug their products on this same
>> >site periodically and I see nothing wrong with it as long as we are
>> >offering an answer or solution to a problem.  We, vendors as a whole,
>> >are just trying to be of service in the best way possible...forgive our
>> >seemingly forward approach.
>> Joe Deppe:
>> [Bill Cain]  I think your post indicates that you still don't get it. 
>> SEAOC website is a far more appropriate place to push your product (and
>> would help support the cost of the website and listserver).  I believe
>> four rapid fire messages from you and your colleague (Brent Straka) in a
>> very short time was quite excessive. 
>> As Dennis Wish mentions, others have mentioned their product from time to
>> time but it has almost always been in the context of explaining a feature
>> that several list members have asked about (or else they got flamed just
>> like you did ;<).  If you want to see how it is done in a classy manner
>> look in the archives for some of the posts that Bruce Bates has done. 
>> the tone and timing of his messages.  They are informative, professional
>> and generally discuss a topic that goes beyond his product.  They also
>> don't bombard the list with multiple "marketing" messages over a very
>> time.  
>> In general, it is better to respond to a person's question directly with
>> product information (their email address is in the header) rather than
>> "shotgun" the list with advertising.  My organization does buy a fair
>> amount of structural software.  However, I, for one, would be very
>> reluctant to do business with your organization if that "pushy-ness" is
>> characteristic of your approach.  Regardless how good your product might
>> be, I prefer to deal with people who act like professionals.  The value
>> the information (beyond the value to you as a vendor) you provided in all
>> four posts was marginal at best IMHO.  
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