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BILL ALLEN!!!!!!!!!!! I may agree with some of the things he has to say, but
EVERYONE on this list knows that I would never complement that right wing
As far as Iowa, I kind of envy EP, I spent many great days of my life living
in Chicago and camping at Mississippi Palasades state park, visiting Dubuque
where I have friends and staying at a great hotel on the east side
(Illinois) of the river. It's been years but I think it was called
Timmermans resort.
If you haven't seen the Dubuque tram, you missed a great historic site, or
to visit a few miles east in Illinois at the fort of Galena.
Seriously, this is one of most beautiful area's of the mid-west. Dubuque is
not typical of the flatlands of Illinios since it is part of the Mississippi
River Bluffs.
But Never Never be so crude as to accuse me of complimenting Bill Allen.

Dennis Wish PE

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Caldwell, Stan [mailto:scaldwell(--nospam--at)]
|Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 3:08 PM
|To: 'seaoc(--nospam--at)'
|Subject: RE: Company Advertising
|I vote to bar all posts from Dennis Wish and Bill Allen until they
|jointly agree to stop complimenting each other!  It's just not natural,
|and it threatens the very integrity of this Listserv.
|With respect to Joe Deppe, please remember that he has the misfortune of
|living and working in Iowa.  Have you ever been to Dubuque?  Let's cut
|him some slack!
|Stan Caldwell, P.E.
|Dallas, Texas
|>From: 	Bill Allen[SMTP:BAllenSE(--nospam--at)]
|>Sent: 	Thursday, February 19, 1998 3:30 PM
|>To: 	seaoc(--nospam--at)
|>Subject: 	Re: Company Advertising
|>Ok, participants. It's time for a vote. Is it time to draw and quarter Joe
|>Deppe and boycott EaglePoint software or to "encourage" EaglePoint to buy
|>advertisement at the SEAOC web site?
|>Bill Allen
|>> From: Bill Cain, S.E. <bcain(--nospam--at)>
|>> To: seaoc(--nospam--at)
|>> Subject: Re: Company Advertising
|>> Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 12:33 PM
|>> At 13:21 2/19/98 -0600, Joe Deppe wrote:
|>> >I have monitored this site for quite some time now and have offered
|>> >information and solutions to many inquiries without advertising any
|>> >products.  The response to the Visio inquiries included information
|>> >about Eagle Point as a reference point for more information, not to
|>> >the product
|>> >
|>> >I appreciate that this is not a 24-hour bulletin board for advertising
|>> >and never intended to use it as one.  Other companies, or
|>> >representatives of their companies, plug their products on this same
|>> >site periodically and I see nothing wrong with it as long as we are
|>> >offering an answer or solution to a problem.  We, vendors as a whole,
|>> >are just trying to be of service in the best way possible...forgive our
|>> >seemingly forward approach.
|>> Joe Deppe:
|>> [Bill Cain]  I think your post indicates that you still don't get it.
|>> SEAOC website is a far more appropriate place to push your product (and
|>> would help support the cost of the website and listserver).  I believe
|>> four rapid fire messages from you and your colleague (Brent Straka) in a
|>> very short time was quite excessive.
|>> As Dennis Wish mentions, others have mentioned their product from time
|>> time but it has almost always been in the context of explaining a
|>> that several list members have asked about (or else they got flamed just
|>> like you did ;<).  If you want to see how it is done in a classy manner
|>> look in the archives for some of the posts that Bruce Bates has done.
|>> the tone and timing of his messages.  They are informative, professional
|>> and generally discuss a topic that goes beyond his product.  They also
|>> don't bombard the list with multiple "marketing" messages over a very
|>> time.
|>> In general, it is better to respond to a person's question directly with
|>> product information (their email address is in the header) rather than
|>> "shotgun" the list with advertising.  My organization does buy a fair
|>> amount of structural software.  However, I, for one, would be very
|>> reluctant to do business with your organization if that "pushy-ness" is
|>> characteristic of your approach.  Regardless how good your product might
|>> be, I prefer to deal with people who act like professionals.  The value
|>> the information (beyond the value to you as a vendor) you provided in
|>> four posts was marginal at best IMHO.
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