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Sorry to get you involved, but I'm glad you have. I wrote one other post
that clearly states my position on voluntering. But I also feel that
organizations have two primary goals outside of the work they accomplish -
generate members and generate income.
Incentive programs are not new and can be effective. I would think that in
the case of ASTM, they were not generating enough return on their incentive
There is no equality in a professional organization when those how volunteer
put out as much or more effort than those who simply pay dues. With less
than 5% of our profession taking an active interest in the evolution of
their profession, we will continue to have cash flow problems and fight the
competition for professional membership (whose club will I join this year).
Roger, I'm not sure how much you participate, but you do voice your opinon
on this list in much the same way a committee member does. This is far more
effort than is expounded by 95% of the roster.
SEAOC has tried guilt - list the names publically of all of the members who
are delinquent in their dues, beg for volunteers, preach professional civic
responsibility etc.
If incentive programs increase membership and income to the organization,
what harm will it do to the paid roster. In my thinking, it will only make
them think that if they "pay their dues" on committee's they will get a
break on their dues. This kind of return benifits everyone including the
Reduction in the price of publications is something we have learned to
expect with membership dues - we get a break on seminars, publications over
non-members. Yes everyone is treated the same, however, members are treated
special over non-members. Therefore, let volunteers be treated a little
better than non-participants.
Roger, if does not incite those who already volunteer to do more because
they devote their time and efforts for other than personal gain - something
I tend to respect more. But this is a world with much work for our
organization to do in order to keep up. If perks are the only way to
generate the work we need accomplished, what's the harm?

Dennis Wish PE

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Roger Turk [mailto:73527.1356(--nospam--at)]
|Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 9:19 AM
|To: seaoc(--nospam--at)
|Subject: RE: SEAOC $10.00 dues in
|Dennis Wish said:
|. > One thing puzzles me about your post. I think I may have missed your
|. > point. You were pleased to be a member of an organization that offered
|. > specials on publications. You felt that they cared enough for their
|. > membership to offer a cost saving incentive in hopes of increasing the
|. > number of members in time.
|. >
|. > But as they became more stingy in their offerings, you became more
|. > resentful and finally could see not incentive to continue paying dues.
|. > Is this correct or have I missed something.
|. >
|. > Why, then would I reconsider my position why you have done so well to
|. > support it?
|Yes, Dennis, I think that you did miss the point of my post.  The point of
|post was that *all* members should be treated in the same manner.  I
|supported ASTM when all personal members were treated the same.  When
|perks were given to *only* committee members, then that indicated to me
|all the other members did not count in their mind and that they would only
|tolerate other members because they provided cash to the organization, both
|in dues plus profit from purchase of publications.
|As I said in my previous post, I did not intend to get involved in this
|thread, however, your proposal to have a 50 percent reduction of dues as an
|incentive to serve on a committee caused me to relate an exactly opposite
|reaction from me in a similar situation.
|A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
|Tucson, Arizona