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According to RGA#2-90 (LA city)--maximum slump for concrete shall be six
inches-unless an approved high-range water-reducing admixture(type F and G)
is used. Under the 1994 UBC Ready Mixed Concrete Standard 19-3 if the plans
or project specs are written as a "maximum" or "not to exceed" there is 0
tolerance on the top end and 2 1/2 inch on the low end--assuming it is a 4
inch slump. If the specs or plans for slump are not written as a "maximum"
or "not to exceed" (assuming it's a 4 inch slump) there is a plus or minus
of 1 inch tolerance. It is important for the engineer to state this in the
general notes for less confusion in the field. I know in my report the area
of placement and vibration of concrete,mix # , design P.S.I. and # of
cylinders taken are on my report. If the concrete is within the tolerance of
the specs,plans or U.B.C. standard (whichever is more stringent) I do not
list the slump. Our data sheets sent in with the cylinders include date of
pour,design psi,mix design designation, slump in inches,made by,mixing
time(hrs/min),time of day,cyls this set/pour,temp,load #,plant,job
name,address,location in structure,age to be crushed,special instructions
and the mark on cylinders.
I have on occasion been asked to record slumps and temps on every panel
poured in a day(sometimes 50 to 75) and fax to the owner and engineer at the
end of the pour.This is no problem. After all I am employed by you.(1701.1
1994 UBC)
Also if a wet load comes in-is out of tolerance the contractor is notified
and told of the consequences if placed.If he chooses to place it--it is on
the daily report, the engineer is notified and a correction notice is
written (depending on the juristiction) and city  notified. I hope my input
helps.    Robert Bill --Deputy Inspector
----Original Message-----
From: Drew A. Norman, S.E. <dnormanse(--nospam--at)>
To: SEAOC List Service <seaoc(--nospam--at)>
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 9:51 AM
Subject: Problem with Deputy Inspector -- Follow-up

>In re the following reply  to my earlier post:
>>>>From: ParkerSCal <ParkerSCal(--nospam--at)>
>To: seaoc(--nospam--at)
>Subject: Re: Problem with Deputy Inspector -- Follow-up
>If you are looking for the slump, try the concrete compression test report.
>That is where we (a City of Los Angeles licensed laboratory) report it.<<<
>This is what  the inspector said and, I must admit, standard practice.  I
>think it's a bad answer and bad practice.  It is in no one's interest to
>wait for the slump test result and other data the deputy records during his
>placement inspection.  In general, all quality control data should be
>reported as quickly as practical.
>Even if a 7 day break is made and reported promptly, waiting for the
>compression test report means I don't see the slump until more than a week
>after the pour.  Perhaps two more pours have taken place in the meantime.
>If there's no 7, and a slow report on the 28,  the job may be finished
>before I ever see the excessive slump, find out  they're using the wrong
>design, or etc.
>IMHO, prompt review of the reports is of value to the project team.  If I
>have a question about or a problem with the results, it is much better for
>all concerned if I communicate it to the jobsite before an error is
>or questionable work made inaccessible for further testing, inspection or
>repair by on-going construction.  Slump tests are only not the end all but
>the tip of the iceberg.
>I would be interested in knowing how many of my colleagues think this makes
>sense and how many think I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.
>Drew Norman, S.E.
>Drew A. Norman and Associates