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- From: John Nichols <cejn(--nospam--at)engmail.newcastle.edu.au>
- Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:34:13 +1000
Dear Patrick, This was the week where John Donne caused a reaction.. >>>>>>>> Perhaps you could help with the following? babyroo(--nospam--at)ozemail.com.au asked me: Hi Dad, I am looking for an internet provider that can be accessed internationally. AOL has many access phone numbers but I do not like AOL. Do you know of any others? Michele ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Patrick Quinn Henderson, Nevada <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< If one was a cynical Australian living in city where a free enterprise government is setting the population apart just before an election I would ask the same question of you about Michele's quote as you asked of mine, "John Dunne, but how is it a subject for 6,000 structural engineers?" but as I am not, I will refrain from commenting or pointing out the level of non engineering chat that makes this a warm friendly list where people help each other and like all offices chat and gossip. Try asking these sorts of questions in a large consulting office you would be lucky to get an answer in such short time. And I think there is a quote about allwork and no play Also I remember when I first joined the list I was amazed by this lady who liked Anchovy Pizza. I knew then that i had found some one who really understood food and engineering. And when I used a non engineering quote to end a response it was the only thing that was responded to. I have tried a few engineering quotes and got zip. I collect quotes for my papers. this list server has given me several new ones and a Latin translation. One quote from the right author can often save a lot of explaining. I would suggest the new Communicator from Netscape and its webmail. >>Doctor's Pay Doctors get about the same hourly rate as a good senior engineer if in private practice it is the difference in productivity that is the killer. They isolate themselves from everything except the problem at hand and then go for it. You canna blame them it is the way to make money. What is always interesting is why engineers have to be so accessible. If I could lock myself away I get a lot more done to. Try to get a Doctor on the phone. My family has lots of Doctors in it and so to the kind soul who thought I was being hard on Doctors I apologize if I offended with my comment. It was meant as a joke. In defense I suggest you try living in the same house as a shrink. <<<< Tornadoes v earthquakes. > It's great that this reality-check question has registered with > some members > of this listserv, even if it is incorrectly attributed. The > tornadoes last > week in Arkansas killed about as many people as Northridge or > Loma Prieta, yet > likely will be forgotten a year from now, whereas Northridge and > Loma Prieta > have influenced, and will continue to influence, codes for years > to come, and > jack up construction and design costs in the process. Perhaps the question should be, "Where is the money?" The high cost of earthquakes is one of the main motivations for the research (esp. performance based design). This research and code development becomes more appropriate as taxpayers pick up a greater share of the tab. The more fiscal responsibility that the Feds pick up, the greater will be the regulation and control. If you want a good example, just look at the pending tobacco legislation brought about by state Medicare lawsuits. Which summed up an excellent line of discussion. Why are the Insurance Co and disaester relief people interested in earthquakes :: The Newcastle Earthquake hit a town of 500,000 with a 5.5 Mag event. It is at that level that the USGS really get serious at Menlo Park with their bulletins. It only killed thirteen interesting enough most of those in an engineered building, but it was one of the largest claims on Insurance funds for the repair of masonry mostly in the last three decades. Newcastle has very few masonry structures over 2 storeys. If you look at the Menlo Park data for about the last nine months Earthquake Magnitude Qed Bulletin Quake List Estimated Number of events 4.7 or less 2407 4.8 145 145 4.9 121 1 121 5 127 127 5.1 97 1 97 5.2 70 70 5.3 59 5 59 5.4 36 3 36 5.5 36 18 36 5.6 19 10 19 5.7 15 21 21 5.8 15 12 12 5.9 6 12 12 6 0 4 4 6.1 3 4 4 6.2 1 3 3 6.3 2 2 2 6.4 6 4 4 6.5 1 8 8 6.6 1 3 4 6.7 1 3 3 6.8 2 2 6.9 1 1 1 7 1 1 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 7.7 1 1 7.8 7.9 1 1 8 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 Total 3169 120 793 One can get a feel for the number of world events. It is not the Loma Prieta or the Northbridges that are the real problem it is the Nahanni earthquake and its equivalent that hits the Eastern North America. Because in these areas the urban masonry has not been tested with "real earthquake loads" in the last sixty to 100 years during teh big building period, the way the Califnianian and Japanese areas are tested. Try one of those big ones on the New Madrid fault line and St Louis or Memphis will probabely resemble a junk yard. And the death count will probably be horrific, if Spitak and Tashkent are anything to go by. The attentuation rate is also a significant problem, so it will be felt everywhere. i believe the Insurance Co's call it Aremgeddon ie they are all broke! This is why the work of Ms P Gross at PU and D Abrams at Urbana is pretty important and I urge anyone who has been through an earthquake recovery to help Ms Gross with her questionairre. Finally I would end with an series of engineering quotes that I will attribute:: C F Richter It is geologically obvious that the earthquakes of two or three centuries do not provide an adequate basis for estimating the seismicity of a region. C F Richter There is little to justify the common tacit assumption that the strongest shaking known to have affected a given point in the past will not be exceeded there. Anonymous Japanese Source The fact that civil agencies issuing permits may approve a design does not necessarily mean that earthquakes will do so. Station Agent, Cisco, Placer Co California (1912 August 30) Had a hell of an earthquake. And finally to say this is a good healthy list server that is different to the duelling expert type of engineering that dominates some of teh projects I have worked on. So thanks for the week that was. John Nichols
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