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I am not as familiar with the seismic provisions that much more 
stringent on the west coast than in the east.  One thing I was 
thinking was that smaller wood framed construction would be less 
affected (in general) than larger, heavier structures due to there 
lower mass and height.  Localized damage to such areas as fire places 
(brick/masonry) is not surprising.  A house of this construction 
coming off the foundation sounds less likely, provided it were 
anchored properly to the foundation.

Another thought, it would seem that conventional framing provisions 
would be more conservative and engineered (in general) because when 
something is designed by an engineer there is typical more control 
over details, materials, and inspection.  Does this make sense or am I 
being unrealistic.

From:  Patrick Rodgers[SMTP:prodgers(--nospam--at)]
Sent:  Friday, May 22, 1998 11:12 AM
To:  seaoc(--nospam--at)
Subject:  Re: Architects Doing Engineering -Enough

At 12:45 AM 5/22/1998 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-05-21 17:22:10 EDT, 73527.1356(--nospam--at) 
>>  Could it be that houses built under the conventional framing 
>>  not experienced widespread failures because they have never been
>>  to  the loads for which they should have been designed?
>>  Could it be that engineer designed houses are more conservative 
>>  built under the conventional framing provisions because they are 
>>  for code prescribed loads?
>Roger is onto something, especially regarding seismic loading. 
 Reality check
>for readers of this listserv:  Think back to every detached 
>house you have lived in the U.S.  It's likely that most of them were 
of the
>within a few miles of the Hayward and San Andreas faults.  Those 
houses have
>experienced several earthquakes that have caused damage in the 
region, but
>none of those houses sustained any damage.
>Readers who can answer yes to the question of damaged houses, please
provide a
>short post to this thread.  I'd be surprised if more than a dozen 
>appear out of the six thousand members of this listserv.
>Frank Lew, SE
>Orinda, CA
>(I'll skip the motto since Bill Allen referenced it earlier in this 

Dear Frank,

I didn't live in this house, but my sister did.  During the 
earthquake, her house lifted off the foundation and moved several 
sideways and reutrned to earth.  Her house is located in the 
Silverlake of
Los Angeles (for the non-locals, it is  between Hollywood and 
Downtown) and
the house was built in the late teens or early twentys, two-story and
featured ship-lap siding instead of the usual stucco.  House had a 
basement and was located near the top of the hill.  Other houses in 
area, I believe, suffered cracked brick fireplaces.  The house was 
a total and now she and family
live in an engineered house.

Patrick Rodgers