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Re: adios, auf Wiedersehen. au revoir, sayonara

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I just wanted to say thanks for all of your input to this forum.  Your
common sense approach is very rare and refreshing.  The absence of your
knowledge and opinions will greatly diminish this forum.
Have fun and thanks again.
Randy Vogelgesang, S.E.

-----Original Message-----
From: FLew98
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 8:26 PM
Subject: adios, auf Wiedersehen. au revoir, sayonara

+AD4-To colleagues, friends and critics on the SEAOC listserv:
+AD4-This posting likely will be my last one to the listserv.  I am leaving
+AD4-tomorrow on a month-long trip, and am unsubscribing from all listservs and
+AD4-usenet forums to avoid a hugh backlog of e-mail upon return.  In reflecting
+AD4-how my priorities and foci in life have changed since I retired a year ago,
+AD4-don't expect to rejoin the SEAOC listserv when I return.
+AD4-Engineering no longer is at the center of my radar screen.  Indeed, it has
+AD4-half- disappeared from the screen, displaced by new challenges and
+AD4-Lessons as a sixtysomething piano student, and the daily practice sessions,
+AD4-take up a surprising amount of time, although my progress seems as stalled
+AD4-the progress I've made in persuading Bill Allen to chair a SEAOSC
+AD4-It's frustrating when your brain issues an order, and the dang fingers
+AD4-follow.  Equally challenging are my efforts to learn Mandarin and Spanish,
+AD4-in this case, the brain too often forgets what signals to send to the vocal
+AD4-chords.  And so it goes with other new and renewed interests.  But these
+AD4-enjoyable challenges, and I am optimistic about eventually achieving some
+AD4-modest success.    Perhaps during nostalgia attacks, I'll spend some time
+AD4-the SEAOC listserv's archived postings.  But daily attention to the
+AD4-and virtual jousts with folks like Dennis and Bill are in a chapter of life
+AD4-am closing.
+AD4-A parting observation.   Much of the traffic on this listserv can be put
+AD4-two broad categories.  One category is the exchange of technical
+AD4-And the other is the broadcast of opinions and jeremiads.  The listserv is
+AD4-great resource and forum for seekers of technical information.  Someone
+AD4-a question on, say, the interpretation of a code section, or the names of
+AD4-manufacturers of a product, or references and publications on a subject.
+AD4-listserv subscribers will skim the posting, determine that he/she can or
+AD4-help, and type a quick reply or hit the delete key and move on.  Most
+AD4-seem to draw  one or more useful replies.  And those who reply will feel
+AD4-about being helpful, at just a very modest investment in time and effort,
+AD4-knowing that they may be the one posting the next question and being
+AD4-It's likely that many lurkers also gain useful information from these
+AD4-exchanges.  Everyone benefits.   This type of listserv traffic should be
+AD4-encouraged and expanded as much as possible.
+AD4-The second category generally is much less rewarding, althought some
+AD4-do have the redeeming quality of at least being entertaining as
+AD4-talk past each other.   Folks like Dennis and Bill like to use the listserv
+AD4-a soapbox to issue a call to arms for their passionate beliefs.  Come one,
+AD4-come all - it's painless, requires no significant committments of time,
+AD4-and expenses.   We'll get results if we are united and just sound off.
+AD4-ship the collected  postings on this or that thread to SOMEONE or SOME
+AD4-(don't ask who or which) who will wake up, get our messages, be convinced,
+AD4-lead us to our goals.
+AD4-Face it, virtual special-interest groups have virtual impact on the real
+AD4-world.  For most folks, other than those in high tech who seem to get rich
+AD4-of IPOs and stock options with little effort, the results we achieve
+AD4-correlate with the time, energy, and resources we put into the effort.
It's a
+AD4-cliche, but it's also true:  to be a player or to earn respect, ya gotta
+AD4-your money where you mouth is.   Bill and Dennis no doubt will continue
+AD4-to do it on a shoe string.  And they'll continue to be disappointed until
+AD4-they, and the engineering community at large, push some real piles of chips
+AD4-onto the come line and become stakeholders in the game.  I believe this
+AD4-listserv would be better served if the sturm und drang from this second
+AD4-category are minimized.
+AD4-Participating on this listserv over the last several years has been
+AD4-interesting and a mostly pleasant experience.  On numerous occasions, I was
+AD4-drawn into threads to raise some real-world factors that Dennis in his
+AD4-idealism, and Bill in his dogmatism, would not otherwise consider.   In the
+AD4-process, my image seemed to have morphed into a Scrooge-like party pooper.
+AD4-But I'm really an optimist in drag  :-))
+AD4-Anyone who wants to contact me in the future should address e-mail to
+AD4- I thank everyone for past courtesies and attention.  So long.  And .. Bah+ACE-
+AD4-Frank Lew,  ex-SE
+AD4-Orinda, CA