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My intent was to send this message to the list.  Accidently it went Hector only.  Sorry if I posted it twice.

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From: 	ITSEKSON SASHA
Sent: 	Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:56 AM
To: 	'HECTOR MORERA'
Subject: 	RE: Staad PRO

I am sorry to say that, but Struct. etc is NOT Enercalc at all.  It is a number of worthless (in my opinion) set of FEM programs with no presentable output and no graphics.

As a matter of fact I was extremely annoyed after I received the last two versions of STAAD/Pro because the marketing hype had very little to do with actual performance ( or lack of thereof) of the software components.  I had to reinstall my old version STAAD 22.3 in order to do the production work.  I think in the end the 3D analysis module is a nice piece of software , when they work out all the bugs and make all the functions useable.

Sasha
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From: 	HECTOR MORERA[:hmorera(--nospam--at)goodkindinc.com]
Sent: 	Tuesday, June 02, 1998 2:25 PM
To: 	'seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org'
Cc: 	ITSEKSON SASHA
Subject: 	Staad PRO

I haven't played around with STAAD/PRO much but it contains a module
called Struct. Etc. which I understand to be the Enercalc Structural
Library incorporated into STAAD.  I've used Enercalc alot (the old Lotus
for dos version) which I find to be handy for all sorts of things
(simple beam design, section properties, retwall design, etc.).
Otherwise, the only other neat thing which we have notice is that you
can create your own template for printing out calculations (to make it
look like your company computation paper).

Concerning those initial bugs, the first version they sent us did not
work at all.  The version we are currently using seems to work well (at
least the analysis module).  Creating input interactively seems alot
more powerful with dialog boxes to assist in defining geometry and
member properties.  We haven't used the FEMkit, Visual Draw or FabriCAD
yet.

Be prepare to use up a couple of toner cartridges printing out all of
the manuals which come in PDF format.

Concerning reliability of the output, the analysis portion appears to be
consistent with previous versions.  Someone in our office did a 3D FEM
run using 8 node elements on a box girder bridge and the results were
pretty much the same.  That plus a couple of runs we did to compute
thermal stresses between several fixed piers appears to be the same.
Sorry, we haven't used the design capabilities yet.

I'll keep you posted if anything unusual happens.  Hope this helps.

Hector

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jim Hester [SMTP:hesterpe(--nospam--at)mindspring.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, June 02, 1998 7:37 PM
> To:	seaoc(--nospam--at)seaoc.org
> Subject:	RE: Good things about Eagle Point for Bill
>
> We have been hearing a lot about eaglepoint recently; what are the
> collective thoughts of the group about STAAD-III and STAAD/PRO. I like
> Staad-III and will probably like PRO when all of the bugs are worked
> out and
> all of the components function. I think that the first release,
> rushed to
> market before the end of the year, was an early Bata and that the
> latest
> version is still a bata version. Seems to me REI is letting the users
> do
> their testing and bug identification.
>
> Has anyone heard anything about the reliability of the output.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim hester