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I stand corrected and apologize to Ron Hamburger for jumping to the wrong
It would be admirable if Ron were volunteering expenses for travel out of
his pocket. This is something that the majority of SEA members (or any other
organization for that matter)are not able to do. Although I misinterpreted
the remarks about Ron, I am afraid that there is a general consensus from
past threads that suggest that the only way to accomplish goals on a
national level is face-to-face. I think my point is still valid that we must
use the Internet in a realistic way to help reduce the cost to state (or
local) chapters by doing as much of the "grunt" work or preparation to
minimize the number of physical meetings.

Thanks Bill, for pointing out my error. And, again, I sincerely apologize to
Ron Hamburger for my mistake.

Dennis Wish PE

-----Original Message-----
From: BCainse(--nospam--at) [mailto:BCainse(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 1998 10:33 AM
To: seaoc(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Changes to SEAOC and SEAOSC, SEAONC, SEAOSD and SEAOCC

Dennis Wish Wrote:

>Ron Hamburger's comments, as aptly pointed out by Bill Cain, represent an
>individual out of touch with the current financial state of his
>organization. I certainly would not be in favor of paying more fees' to
>support Hamburgers jetting from one city or country to another.

[Bill Cain]  Dennis, my friend, you have misinterpreted my remarks regarding
Ron Hamburger.

I did not say that he was out of touch with the financial condition of the
organization.  In the comments he's made and the contacts I've had with him,
he has always seemed to have a good grasp of these matters.  My comment
regarding costs was that Ron has travel resources that some of the rest of
don't have to get around.  And, he sees the issues from the large firm
perspective. I don't personally know what Ron pays for and what SEAOC pays
but I suspect Ron or his firm covers much of the travel cost as the SEAONC &
SEAOC travel budgets are really pretty small.  I have a great deal of
for Ron and his work on behalf of SEAOC, SAC, etc.  He has worked tirelessly
on our behalf.  I just disagree with Ron on the centralization issue.

Bill Cain, SE
Albany, CA