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RE: Trading of Electronic Drawing Files

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I personally disagree with your point number 1). What the client pays for is
a service and any documents are instruments of that service and are still
owned by the consultant. Unless the consultant has some motivation ($) for
being more generous, the consultant owns the copyrights to the documents and
usually implied that he/she extends those copyrights for the purpose of
executing the construction of the project. Once the project is completed,
the consultant has every right to request all copies of his/her work to be
returned. Anything beyond that may be offered as part of a contract and/or
out of courtesy of the consultant. I do not release electronic forms of my
work unless extreme situations (again $) warrant it.

Bill Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward W. Chin [mailto:echin(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 9:12 AM
To: 'seaoc(--nospam--at)'
Subject: RE: Trading of Electronic Drawing Files

There are a lot of consultant liability issues in releasing electronic
drawings of their work....

1)  The client should approve of this because they paid for it and
therefore technically own them.  In the spirit of "partnering" with other
subconsultants, the client should encourage the use of trading electronic
drawings in order to resolve interferences and get everybody on the same

2)  All title blocks should be purged from the drawings.  This will
eliminate any possibility of someone else altering the drawings and
reissueing them with the consultant title block (and sometimes the PE

3)  Contractors ask all the time to get electronic drawings in order for
them to cost effectively develop layout sheets and backgrounds (i.e. PT
Deck shop drawings).  I don't see a problem with this as long as the title
blocks are deleted and PURGED from the drawing.

From: 	Trobridge, Bruce[SMTP:Bruce.Trobridge(--nospam--at)]
Reply To: 	seaoc(--nospam--at)
Sent: 	Friday, June 26, 1998 8:21 AM
To: 	'seaoc(--nospam--at)'
Subject: 	RE: Estimating

Is it common for engineers and architects to NOT release electronic
versions of their drawings?   We have been doing this for a couple of
years.  It seems to be very helpful for take offs and interference
checking.  However my office is part of a state agency.  And perhaps
propriety is less of a concern.

From:  Rob Stevens[SMTP:engrathm(--nospam--at)]
Sent:  Friday, June 26, 1998 9:22 AM
To:  seaoc(--nospam--at)
Subject:  Estimating

To the List:

I am looking for a software program that will assist with quantity
Off" for Cost Estimating.

Generic CAD had a "Take Off" program that would work on CAD drawings.
Unfortunately most Architects and Engineers in my area do not want to
release CAD versions of the Bid Drawings.

So what I am looking for is a software package that will use an "E"
Digitizer and work with up to "E" size prints to help speed up the
of taking measurements and developing quantities.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Robert W. Stevens, Jr., P.E.
Senior Engineer
Independent Enterprises, Inc.
Ph.:	1-412-221-3435
Fax:	1-412-221-4430
Email:	engrathm(--nospam--at)