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RE: Trading of Electronic Drawing Files

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Just a note for effect:

We have been directed by the Texas Department of Transportation to add copyright notices to all their drawings.  Apparently there've been isolated instances of use of contract and standard drawings for "commercial purposes."  Don't know any details, but it seems worthy of note.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Edward W. Chin [SMTP:echin(--nospam--at)]
Sent:	Friday, June 26, 1998 11:12 AM
To:	'seaoc(--nospam--at)'
Subject:	RE: Trading of Electronic Drawing Files

There are a lot of consultant liability issues in releasing electronic 
drawings of their work....

1)  The client should approve of this because they paid for it and 
therefore technically own them.  In the spirit of "partnering" with other 
subconsultants, the client should encourage the use of trading electronic 
drawings in order to resolve interferences and get everybody on the same 

2)  All title blocks should be purged from the drawings.  This will 
eliminate any possibility of someone else altering the drawings and 
reissueing them with the consultant title block (and sometimes the PE 

3)  Contractors ask all the time to get electronic drawings in order for 
them to cost effectively develop layout sheets and backgrounds (i.e. PT 
Deck shop drawings).  I don't see a problem with this as long as the title 
blocks are deleted and PURGED from the drawing.

From: 	Trobridge, Bruce[SMTP:Bruce.Trobridge(--nospam--at)]
Reply To: 	seaoc(--nospam--at)
Sent: 	Friday, June 26, 1998 8:21 AM
To: 	'seaoc(--nospam--at)'
Subject: 	RE: Estimating

Is it common for engineers and architects to NOT release electronic
versions of their drawings?   We have been doing this for a couple of
years.  It seems to be very helpful for take offs and interference
checking.  However my office is part of a state agency.  And perhaps
propriety is less of a concern.

From:  Rob Stevens[SMTP:engrathm(--nospam--at)]
Sent:  Friday, June 26, 1998 9:22 AM
To:  seaoc(--nospam--at)
Subject:  Estimating

To the List:

I am looking for a software program that will assist with quantity
Off" for Cost Estimating.

Generic CAD had a "Take Off" program that would work on CAD drawings.
Unfortunately most Architects and Engineers in my area do not want to
release CAD versions of the Bid Drawings.

So what I am looking for is a software package that will use an "E"
Digitizer and work with up to "E" size prints to help speed up the
of taking measurements and developing quantities.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Robert W. Stevens, Jr., P.E.
Senior Engineer
Independent Enterprises, Inc.
Ph.:	1-412-221-3435
Fax:	1-412-221-4430
Email:	engrathm(--nospam--at)