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Robert McGhie stated:
"Poking fun at the absurdities in our lives and the
ridiculous and peculiar things we sometimes say, hear and do helps us
maintain our sanity and bearings."
Which just proves that there are intellegent Attorney's out there:>)  As
best as I remember, this is as close to a definition of a joke as you can
get. With the exception of young children's humor (Why do chicken's cross
the road?) how many types of humor can any of you think of that does not in
some way poke fun at something or someone.
I too try and stay away from these discussions because I am one with no
feeling of religion and yet can not deny (and at times admire) the
unquestionable faith of others. Having been born a Jew, I have been
painfully aware of the autrocities committed upon others in the name of
Religion. Over the years I have come to the very personal feeling that
religion has been the main cause of most of our pain. Possibly this has
caused me to lose faith (although not my heritage).
With that stated, I wish to be clear that there is nothing in this world
which reaches my heart as much as witnessing the peace of mind and spirit
that people and families possess when they truly believe and can share their
belief with others of similar mind. However, once the line is breached where
one belief tries to convince another of what is the "true and only" religion
is where problems begin.
My feeling is that the answers we seek through religion are much greater
than any specie can comprehend and that we do a disservice to ourselves and
others by our limitations of understanding and our desire to empower our
belief as the one and only possibility. What does amaze me is to find so
many people of science who can have such unquestionable faith. I always
thought it was common to question faith and seek the truth.

Sorry to get verbose on this subject. I do not wish to offend anyone with my
comments, yet I would like to understand something that I seem to lack -
unquestionable faith.

Dennis Wish PE

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert McGhie [mailto:robert0(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 4:49 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Re: Misnomer
> > I must apologize.  When I signed onto this list I thought it was the
> > Structural Engineer's Association of California, but now I realize
> > that it is the Structural Engineers Against Organized Christianity.
> > Pretty good cover folks!
> >
> Just because some of us are not offended by off color jokes or jokes
> aimed at organizations or groups we belong to does not mean that this
> group is in any way organized against Christianity or any other
> religious, ethnic, social, geographic, political or occupational
> group, association, or organization. Even though I am also an
> attorney, you did not see me and I doubt that you saw anyone else
> protesting when members of this group post attorney jokes or otherwise
> bash attorneys. I for one enjoy attorney jokes, even though most if
> not all of such jokes poke fun at or otherwise ridicule attorneys. We
> need to be able to laugh at ourselves and I think most of us
> recognize the intended humor and appreciate the break from the
> otherwise serious toils of the day that such postings on this list
> provide. Maybe it is unfortunate that the "fanatics" provide such an
> abundant source for humor, but that's life.
> Unfortunately religious groups seem to attract fanatics. If you
> think about it for a second I think you may agree. In Northern
> Ireland we have those who call themselves "Christians" and who
> profess to have the same God and profess to follow the same Bible,
> killing each other over really insignificant differences in
> interpretation, on which probably neither is correct. If this is not
> absurd enough, the Bible, which forms the basis of their beliefs,
> condemns killing. Now that is absurd but unfortunately true. Why
> then, should you be offended or event upset when others poke fun at
> such absurdities in the fanatics beliefs, positions or statements.
> I think what others are trying to say is: Do not take seriously what
> is clearly intended as humor and entertainment. Life is too short to
> always be serious. Poking fun at the absurdities in our lives and the
> ridiculous and peculiar things we sometimes say, hear and do helps us
> maintain our sanity and bearings.
> Robert