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Re: Plan check submittals and shop drawings

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Generally speaking, calculations document the design decisions made and
verify proper engineering practice.  The drawings show HOW that design is to
be implemented, including the appropriate details.  Therefore, it stands to
reason that the drawings must be signed and sealed - they are the real final
product.  From my viewpoint, an unsigned/unsealed drawing reflecting any
design has no value and should be rejected.

David Finley, P.E.
Professional Engineering Consultants, Inc.
Lake City, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Karim Hosseinzadeh <jamkar(--nospam--at)>
To: seaint(--nospam--at) <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:43 PM
Subject: Plan check submittals and shop drawings

>I would like to get any opinion regarding the following circumstances.
>We have a tilt-up building under construction in the county of Orange,
>The county building department requires that all prefabricated and deferred
>items be prepared and sealed by a California licensed engineer. The roof
>framing of this building consist of manufactured steel trusses and as part
>of the plan check correction we have added a general note to our plans
>saying that
>" Truss calculations and plans shall be designed and sealed by a California
>licensed engineer."
>The truss manufacturer have submitted signed calculations but refuses to
>the plan which consist of a single sheet of erection plan and copies of our
>pertaining to trusses.
>The plan checker says that all deferred submittals must be sealed.
>My questions are these:
>When approved truss shop drawings are submitted to the building department,
>are they considered deferred submittal? UBC
>How would you resolve this problem?
>Do you think that it is O.K. or appropriate for the engineer of record to
>seal the truss
>shop drawings, even if the manufacturer gives permission to use their
>I would appreciate your response.
>Karim Hosseinzadeh, SE