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Re: Plan check submittals and shop drawings

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See sections 3 and 4 of the AISC code of standard practice, and chapter J,
section 1, "design basis" in the AISC specification.  The engineer may
require the development of the connections on the shop drawings rather than
the design drawings.  I would have expected to see a structural steel
specification issued with the design drawings clarifying the design basis to
be used in developing the connections.  Perhaps you did not get a copy.  The
design is not complete without this specification.

This procedure is common in the eastern US, in most US heavy industrial work
west or east, and in most international work.  To my knowledge, shop drawing
review and approval by the engineer is a standard requirement throughout.  

Jim Caid
>     I recently had a steel fabricator ask me to draw shop drawings. I usually
>am on the design side but the building was simple and he agreed to a good fee.
>This is for a national retail chain that is easily recognizable. The plan i
>was given had no structural engineer listed or stamps but the architects
>letterhead was from the midwest. The building was a square box of masonry
>walls and steel truss/ deck roof which was detailed by others. I only had to
>detail the 10 col's and 5 wide flange beams and wall embeds. It seemed very
>simple. I had assumed there were more drawings coming. After a dozen RFI's (
>request for info )  i realize there is a problem. These incomplete plans were
>approved by Fresno, CA  B & S. When i asked for beam to beam connection
>details like plate thicknesses and bolt sizes,  ( that i always provide on my
>design plans of other projects ) the response to RFI was that i should be
>providing these, which seemed odd since i don't know the loads. 
>       When i RFI'd about chord forces since i did'n't see a load path , i was
>told use 9 kips but not told how to develop it with a detail. 
>      I was always taught that plans should be complete and shop drawings are
>for a fabricators use in fabrication but maybe i am missing something and it
>is done differently East of California ( not meant as an insult ). I can't
>imagine my office issuing plans that do not show how many bolts to use in a
>     I would like to know what others think. If the EOR insists on just giving
>a connection load and leaving the connection design up to me as the
>fabricator's engineer, is this common ( include your location please ).
>     In addition, how far should l go when i notice defficiencies in areas
>outside my contract ( i don't see ties in the top 5" of masonry pilasters for
>example and i wasn't even really looking ).
>Thanks in advance.
>Tom Harris , SE
>Thousand Oaks, CA