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Perhaps the point was not to make one feel sorry for IBM per se, but to note the
apparent growing trend of MS to isolate it's operating system. The money thing
is certainly a player in lots of business decisions. We can comment and throw
out opinion about what should have been, but things are as they are and our
interests should be to look back and possibly correct our future direction and

On another note... I've been wondering why a newsgroup such as this walks so
gingerly over the subject of "appropriate" topic areas. The internet is made up
of thousands, (maybe tens of thousands by now) of groups with all kinds of
topical emphasis. The common rules of newsgroup structure are to stick to the
subject matter and go visit some other site if you have comments about things
not implied or covered by your label. The difficulties I see are that I don't
always want to pop into another group and throw out opinions with people I don't
particularly know or have a history with. A better model for a forum such as
this may be to emulate a typical SEA function such as the convention. We attend
such functions with the idea that there is some basis for congregating beyond
technical issues. (Furthermore, we expect to partake in the Presidents Cup no
matter how humiliating)

I just happen to value the opinions of many of those on this list, and would
encourage, not discourage, threads about whatever. If anything, I think I'd
prefer to "chew the fat" once in a while. I guess I know this will go roughly
against some feathers, but hey,, what the heck.

Barry H. Welliver

Dennis S. Wish PE wrote:

> Barry,
> I heard the otherside of this story. IBM bailed on Microsoft because it
> resented paying royalties and license to an outside company. IBM likes to
> absorb companies and have total ownership which they had once OS/2 was
> finished.
> Although this might be biased, Gates reported in his book that he earned
> very little from IBM, essentially using IBM to establish his foothold.
> therefore, when IBM decided to end their relationship with MS, it was not a
> great loss of income to MS.
> Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry H. Welliver [mailto:wellive(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 2:37 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Re: New Win 98 Questions
> Funnier still is the fact that MS decided early on to bail on IBM in the
> development of OS/2. Gee I guess they wanted to get everyone on their
> upgrade path by making it difficult for others to keep supporting legacy
> software.
> Barry H. Welliver
> Bill Polhemus wrote:
> > Gee, this is SUCH a familiar spiel!  Where have I heard it before?
> >
> > Oh, yes, this was the VERY SAME FEATURE touted by OS/2 when I began using
> it in 1993!
> >
> > Yet, I'll bet many of you thought this was an "exclusive feature" of
> Windows NT.  Goes to illustrate: MS is HARDLY the innovator of technology
> that people claim.  Most of the time, they simply borrow ideas from others,
> then market them harder than anyone else.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Szuchuan Chang [SMTP:szchang(--nospam--at)]
> > Sent:   Friday, October 16, 1998 11:34 PM
> > To:     seaint(--nospam--at)
> > Subject:        Re: New Win 98 Questions
> >
> > Please also consider Windows NT 4.0.   It is much more stable than any of
> > the Windows 9Xs.  And if one thread dies, your computer still works
> without
> > corruping the other datas in operation.  You can run many DOSs under NT
> > 4.0.  You can have 80 rows of output in command mode (with vertical scroll
> > bar!)
> >