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Yes, Dennis, to confirm, my remark was intended as polite fun. No offense

To answer your hypothetical questions:

If I had to start competing with a fee lower than the effort and risk and
there is NOTHING I can do to become competitive and maintain the lifestyle I
have chosen, then I have a choice: new lifestyle or new profession. What's
so hard about that? Please don't expect the Feds to make that decision for

IMO, there is nothing wrong with making a profit (by anyone, privateer or
publicly traded corporation). Please don't make "profit" sound like a dirty

Look, the field of economics is WAY over my head, but I understand that
wealth is not like water (i.e., a finite amount, never to change). If the
standard of living in countries like Mexico, China and India improve, they
will be able to afford goods and services provided by the U.S. Money comes
in and people want to build new state-of-the-art football stadiums. We get
to design them. So what if the CAD work is actually done in Mexico, China,
Indonesia or India?

The advent of the cotton gin and the assembly line initially put the economy
in chaos. We once (before 1972) had the US Dollar tied to the gold standard
based on the amount of gold in Ft. Knox. If this were still true, we would
now be TOTALLY out of the global market. Small potatoes.

If you don't believe an open market, free enterprise and competition is
good, maybe you should take your practice somewhere where you don't have to
worry about such things. Maybe some of your international colleagues here on
the 'Net would like to trade places with you.

One thing that is constant is change. Get used to it. Above all, we don't
need a protectionist federal government telling us how to make a living.

Bill Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis S. Wish PE [mailto:wish(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:17 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Design via Internet (India & Mexico)

I know this was meant to be taken in polite fun, but consider this. What if
your area suddenly turned up with engineers who could make a decent living
charging what I do. What happens to your standard of living when your fees
begin to drop. In my case I earn more than my competition in this area -not
less. Now consider if your local competition started to send their work
overseas at $5.00 per hour in labor to design. How will you react if, rather
than 2% of the construction cost, you suddenly are competing at 0.02% of the
construction cost.
This is potentially a serious problem. The EOR remains local so Observation
and on-site coordination is not done from overseas, but locally as it
should. The EOR, who is local, retains control of the design and will not
violate any regulations since he stay in responsible charge.
I don't see this as a threat if the engineering company is a small
individual owned or closed corporation. But if the company is publicly
traded, look-out. The pressure to maintain profit would be enough incentive
to drive labor out of this country.


-----Original Message-----
From: AnandNene(--nospam--at) [mailto:AnandNene(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 7:49 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: Design via Internet (India & Mexico)

In a message dated 11/4/98 10:07:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Bill(--nospam--at) writes:

> Don't worry, Dennis, if your previous discussion regarding fees is any
>  indication, nobody is going to steal your work :o).

Well said Bill!

Anand Nene