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In response to Dennis' post:

The problem is that in America you are not used to having foreign
competitors in the service sectors.  But you seem to deal ok with products
like Japanese cars and appliances.  But who ever heard of competing with a
lawyer, an accountant, or an engineer overseas!

Let me clarify that it is not "cheap labor" because, as you must be aware
of, the standards of living can be very different from one country to
another, so that what is considered rock-bottom engineering fees in the
States can be actually pretty good somewhere else and afford you a Cornell
graduate (like me!).  America does hire cheap labor overseas but for
production and assembly of merchandise.  I've just looked at the tags of
some American-brandname clothes, (which I bought here for twice the price
they are sold for in the States) and they are all "Made in the Philippines"
or "Assembled in Costa Rica".  Could you possibly afford to buy things
produced by American people?  No way.  Yet you believe that in a business as
competitive as engineering, contractors/designers should, supposedly on
ethical grounds, turn a blind eye on equally qualified engineers in another
country where rates are cheaper.

Perhaps you should look in a more positive way: if I get more and better
paid work, my economy and thus my spending capacity will improve, and I'll
buy more American clothes, shoes, books, software, etc. so that YOUR economy

I think that the Internet and satellite communication have opened a whole
range of possibilites for globalization of many industries, and I, for one,
hope to establish international links for my design consultancy pretty soon.
It doesn't have to be all negative- if you're designing a project overseas,
say in India or South America, your engineering won't be cost-competitive
against the locals.  But if you merge with a local firm and work together,
you can produce a well engineered product backed with local knowledge, at a
competitive price.  Just a thought.

Maria I. Falconi
Guayaquil, Ecuador

From: Dennis S. Wish PE <wish(--nospam--at)>
To: seaint(--nospam--at) <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 1:01 AM
Subject: RE: Design via Internet (India & Mexico)

>Sam, is this a good thing or do you see it simply as a potential fact of
>I don't agree with the idea of lowest labor maximum profit when it has the
>potential to destroy our economy.
>Let me pose this question - when our labor rates are forced in half or more
>in order to compete against overseas labor, will your bank or mine reduce
>the principle on our mortgage to compensate? I don't think they will.
>We have already lost much of the manufacturing base in this country in
>to satisfy stock investors and maintain maximum corporate profits. Are we
>suppose to allow our service industries to follow suite or do we try and
>protect our markets.
>We had a thread that suggested my rates were much lower than my competition
>in other geographical area's. How will our community react when my rates
>five times higher than those in India or other low labor counties?
>I don't want to be unfair, but I need to protect my family and the future
>my grand-children.
>Dennis S. Wish PE
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Szuchuan Chang [mailto:szchang(--nospam--at)]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 7:18 PM
>To: seaint(--nospam--at)
>Subject: Re: Design via Internet (India & Mexico)
>At 12:03 PM 11/4/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>I have heard of larger companies sending work to India and Mexico via
>>internet to be designed and drafted for a far lower fee.  I have also
>>that some of this work is good work and timely.  I don't know about
>>everybody else, but that is pretty darn scary to me.
>>Has anyone else heard about this type of deal?
>>Blake Haley, P.E.
>>White Engineering Associates, Inc.
>It has been the case for at least 7-10 years for software design firms.
>Major firms like Hewlett Packard contracts their software design to
>The advantages of India are (1) very very low wages, (2) English
>(3) good universities that keep on producing highly educated engineers.
>We are just scratching the surface of the power hidden inside the
>Internet.  With Electronically ways of submittal of designs, many parts
>of design can be subcontracted to the lowest bidder that have the access
>to the internet. Internet highways know of no borders between nations.
>Unlike toys or auto parts, they don't even have to worry about shipping
>and import/expor fees.  We will have to be able to adjust to the impact
>of this global village.  It is coming like it or not!!!
>Sam Chang
>Cupertino CA