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I just received your message (I don't understand why it took 3 days). I
applaud the efforts of these organizations and admit that I did not know any
of this. I believe this is a monumental step and hope that the engineering
community is kept abreast of the work being done.
As great an effort as this is, it is - in my opinion - only a beginning that
should foster the same cooperative agreements between other professional
Rawn, as you know from you involvement in SEAoSC, the board feels that the
tools being offered by SEAint should help the work being done by allowing
more engineers who might no have the ability to participate, become an
active member.
This may require some additions or modifications to the historic way
committees work but those involved with SEAint (speaking from conversations
I've had with many) believe that the tools available through our server
(lists, email accounts, real-time chat, teleconferencing etc) can augment
the work being done by the joint efforts. I hope that you will help promote
the use of these tools if only to allow engineers who have not had the
ability to participate may be able to offer their suggestions and support
for the work being done.

Dennis Wish PE

-----Original Message-----
From: Rawn Nelson [mailto:rawn1(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:43 AM
To: seaint
Subject: Cooperation Between Structural Engineering Organizations

The next issue, Winter 1998, of STRUCTURE magazine will contain an article
that discusses this subject in greater depth than I will here in.  The
article invites comments as well as explains how the three principal
organizations representing structural engineers in the United States, the
National Council of Structural Engineering Associations (NCSEA), the
Council of American Structural Engineers (CASE) and the Structural
Engineering Institute (SEI) of ASCE, have been working together to aid and
assist each other and to eliminate wasteful duplication of effort.  This
issue of STRUCTURE magazine will be the first joint issue of the three

The efforts, over the last four years plus, to establish cooperation have
resulted in partnering agreements between the organizations.  For those
SEAOC members who are not aware of these efforts, SEAOC has been a
prominent participant, both through their presence in NCSEA and on the Task
Formation committee for SEI.  All three organizations have the same basic
goal "serving the structural engineering profession".  But each
organization has different purposes and membership requirements.

The Trial Designs that Marc Barter posted on this list are another example
of this cooperation.  The lead in this activity is through the SEI Business
and Professional Activities Division.  This divisions executive committee
and sub-committees have balanced representation from all three
organizations.  The results of the trial designs could be published as
useful information to both practicing engineers and to building officials.
Also the results could be passed on to the NCSEA Code Advisory Committees
(CAC) for possible code changes.

The NCSEA-CAC is structured somewhat similar to the SEAOC committees,
please see the article "A Unified Voice-Development of the International
Building Codes", in the Fall 1998 issue of STRUCTURE.  The need for a
unified national voice for practicing structural engineers has never been
more apparent than in the development of the IBC.  SEAOC is a strong
participant in the NCSEA-CAC.

The NCSEA web site,, is currently under redesign to include
e-mail addresses for structural engineers, or others in related fields, to
be able to provide their input to code issues as well as many other issues
(i.e. professional licensing, continuing education, advocacy of the
structural engineering profession, practice guidelines, etc.).

The current Design Guidelines being prepared by SEAOC and to be published
by ICBO do not conflict with the national cooperative effort.  This
particular publication is to be reviewed form a national prospective by
NCSEA.  There are also many other state structural associations who produce
publications that could be of interest to those beyond their local group.
The national cooperative effort is targeting the broader dissemination of
these publications as well as those of SEI and CASE to members of all three
organizations at reduced prices.

There are an enormous amount of efforts continuing to provide for
cooperation.  The leaders of the three organizations hope to keep all
concerned more informed of these activities through the joint publication

Thanks for listening,