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- Subject: RE: Plan check submittals and shop drawings
- From: Mike Brown <mike.brown(--nospam--at)cshqa.com>
- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:16:05 -0700
There was a quote in the below copied e-mail stating the following, "He felt strongly that the architect is responsible for the whole building. Engineers might approach the problem a little differently since architects are much more used to delegating portions of their work." Does that mean the Architect of record stamps and signs all the documents including the structural sheets and calculations? -----Original Message----- From: Drew A. Norman, S.E. [mailto:DNormanSE(--nospam--at)email.msn.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:46 AM To: SEAINT List Service Subject: Plan check submittals and shop drawings Reviving an old string, I got an email from my buddy at California's Department of the State Architect while I was away from the list serve last month (busy, busy). It seemed to me of enough general interest to post even though it's a month since we were talking about the issues related to structural engineer's of record being asked to sign and seal documents prepared by other professionals. Summarizing, my friend, a DSA structural engineer, spoke to Fred Hummel (the State Architect himself) in an attempt to clarify current thinking on the use of disclaimers with such counter-signatures on deferred approval items. To avoid risk of adding another layer of interpretation, I will quote directly from the email I received: "It was his [Mr. Hummel's] opinion that the designer is responsible for the design of the entire building including the trusses and other components. He says that you cannot assume responsibility or not assume (the courts will do that for you...) I pressed him a little bit on the details.... He said that, for trusses, he would specify the spacing, the truss type and profile and so on.... He would not check the calculations, but he thought that he would still have some responsibility for the trusses even if they failed because of an error made by the truss designer in the calculations. He felt strongly that the architect is responsible for the whole building. Engineers might approach the problem a little differently since architects are much more used to delegating portions of their work. He also suggested that we set up a meeting with Vilas Mujumdar on next Tuesday to discuss DSA policy with regard to when the statement can be used and when the details of the components MUST be included on the design drawings." I do not know the meeting actually came off or what was discussed/concluded. I am sending my friend a copy of this post. Perhaps he will enlighten us. For reference, Charles Greenlaw's last post on this subject (from Digest for 10/10/98) included the following language: "[in re] ... the issue of the Structural engineer of record having to sign and seal design documents prepared (and signed and sealed) by non-subordinate PE's for component structural elements, such as proprietary trusses, on California public school projects covered by the state Field Act and administered by DSA. There has been recurring debate as to whether ... overstamping ... is allowed by the PE Act. "... I can't account for current DSA practices in this matter ... but I can fill in a little history ... [to] ... help resolve fears of conflict among the regulations and among the enforcing agencies at present. I am not aware of any controversy lingering about SER's "overstamping" the deferred design submittals that are properly stamped by their originator, for DSA work or otherwise...."
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