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- From: "Drew A. Norman, S.E." <DNormanSE(--nospam--at)email.msn.com>
- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:10:03 -0500
Maura and any other lurking architects, When I wrote, "Maybe the average architect's thinking on the subjects of professionalism and responsibility are fundamentally different than those of the average engineer?" I was obviously moving to quickly since: 1. I got the verb tense wrong (thinking ... is .. than that), and 2. I wasn't clear enough to avoid the implication that I thought architects less professional and responsible that engineers on this subject (overstamping). Maura's response noted, "it is not a question of 'professionalism', it is perhaps that the two professions have different traditions and different expectations of their members." She's right. My comment was meant literally -- architect's thinking on these issues is fundamentally different than engineers. I didn't say worse and I didn't mean worse. For the record, I am an overstamper, following Charles Greenlaw's theory that with respect to California's regulations the second seal and signature is in the way of a report verifying that the design has been reviewed for compatibility with the work of the EOR. I think the approach Maura indicates is required in her area and traditional among architects is in fact MORE professional and MORE responsible than that proposed by many who posted on this issue last month. IMHO, worries about our personal and professional liability must be secondary to concerns for making safe structures. In particular, I think it is the obligation of a responsible structural engineer of record to do his or her best to insure that the structural design of elements of buildings for which they have overall responsibility is performed by qualified professionals based on loads and other assumptions compatible with the design of the overall structural system. In the end, the buck stops with the EOR, and overstamping is a way of acknowledging and accepting what I think is a practical (legal) reality as well as a professional responsibility. My apologies to anyone who interpreted my post as a slam on architects. The reverse was intended. I'm not always a promoter of everything about their profession (in particular I hate in when they work cheap for their art and expect me to go along for the ride, ref my friend Brad Smith's post earlier this week), but in this case I think they are ahead of us. Drew Norman Drew A. Norman, S.E.
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